Re: Apple Lags Behind On DVD-R/RWs?

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If there is any more proof that Apple is
lagging behind
on
it's
novelty machines, just look at the Mini and the
iMac. All models
have 8x
DVD-R/RW drives. Why don't they have 16x, 18x or
even 20x DVD-R/RWs on their
mainstream computers.
Because very few people really care,
Translation: It's Apple, so their customers will be
happy with sub-par
performance.
The majority of people at least in the US are buying
laptop computers
and have been for the last two or three years -- so
they obviously
don't care about the fastest performance. But why
would most people
care about the speed of the DVD player regardless? Do
you really
think that the majority of people are burning files to
flimsy DVD-RW's
instead of using some type of flash media? Also if you
want to talk about sub-par performance, let's look at
a
few things....
1. No Mac user is buying laptops with Celeron
processors, or Pentium
Dual Core processorss (not Core Duos) 2. Weren't the
PC users just defending Lauren for buying a slow AMD
Turon based laptop with a crappy display ? 3. Looking
at the average selling price of computers sold by
Dell, HP,
ASUS, etc, most PC buyers are buying low-end laptops
with "sub par"
performance.
AMAZING HOW SUB-PAR DVD BURNERS FROM APPLE ARE
JUSTIFIED HERE.

Not a single defense could even remotely be considered
valid.

Steve
So how about all of the PC users not only buying sub par
DVD Burners
(which relatively few people are using) but are also
buying computers
with sub par processors, video hardware, displays, etc?

Since Apple doesn't sell *any* computers with anything
less than a
Core 2 Duo 2Ghz besides the Air, by definition, no Mac
users are buying the sub par computers that the average
Windows user is buying.
Since every Mac comes with graphics hardware that is at
least four
times faster than Intel's integrated graphics *no* Mac
user is buying
a computer with the level of graphics that come on
Dell's and HP's
low
end computers. So obviously, it's PC users who are
buying Celeron based computers with crappy displays
running Vista Home Basic that
don't care about performance.
AMAZING HOW SUB-PAR DVD BURNERS FROM APPLE ARE JUSTIFIED
HERE.

That says it all.

Steve

To you, but then that is expected.

I notice that you don't 'justify' those sub-par windows
boxes for their
shitty graphics and processors...

Well, we were discussing DVD BURNERS. And you have
seemingly excluded
all Intel systems with "non shitty" graphics and
processors.

I sure did start this about DVD Burners and guess what.
Apple is
putting a new x18 writer on the Mac Pro. I wonder why they
didn't put one
on
the Mini or iMac. Hmmmmmm...

John

Maybe because the casual home user those machines are
targetted for don't really give a *** about the speed of the
DVD burner?

Actually the home user is just the person to buy something
because it's
faster or more powerful. Let's see a company put out a brand new
P4 system
with a CD burner instead of a DVD burner and just for shits and
giggles, give it some old 72 pin memory sticks from the 90s.
Then put it in a really
cute case and see how well it sells. Seriously I've sold
computers to people
and been a consultant. The first thing they ask is how fast it
is. The next
things they ask is how much memory and how big the HD is. They
ask me is it
fast enough to run whatever. So you are wrong.

Have you ever looked at a computer ad these days? These big
companies
have really smart marketing people. They really push that speed
and memory
angle these days. They want people to think they're getting a
good deal on a
fast machine.

In an attempt to put this argument to rest and make some
people look
like they're clueless. Look at this page about a computer. Count
how many times you see the words "fast" and "big". Why use those
terms rather than "small" or "slower".

http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html

John

John that is just simple marketing skills. For the vast majority
of home users the need for all that power is placed in their head
by the marketing guys. They have to keep coming up with reasons
for you to get you to be unhappy with your current computer.

That's true, and that's the reason I'll take a computer will lesser
specs as long as it does what I need and costs less. What I won't
do is pay Apple more for lesser hardware than the price of faster
hardware, because somebody says I don't need the speed, or Apple
thought I wouldn't care about it!

There is a quality factor in there that you like to ignore.

I never ignore quality!

Can't tell that from your posts.

The fault for that lies entirely with you!

Apple boxes and the OS they made to run on them, is just a better
quality and less problematic over time.

If you say so. My PCs work fine and are cheaper, so I'll stay with
them. I just can't bring myself to pay the price of a Mac Mini when I
can get more in a PC for less money.

Not perfect, of course, but better.

For more money. For less hardware.

For fair prices for quality hardware.

I can get quality hardware for much less than what Apple charges.

On the day the consumer figures out that a single-core 2.0Ghz
machine will do all they want to do as fast as they can actually
tell it is doing it, lots of computers will gather dust in the
stores.

Including the dual core Mac Mini and the dual core iMacs? Single
core PCs can be had for less than $300. If that's all consumers
need, count Apple out of the consumer market!

Yes they can. They will be a POS because at that price no one is
making a decent profit on the box, hence no worry about quality.

That's a false premise. It's based on the idea a company must charge
the margins Apple does or else sell junk. It's simply not true!
PowerComputing proved that for Macs, which is why Apple had to shut
them down and buy them out! The PC makers continue to prove that
point, especially Psystar and PearC!

Nice attempt at a history rewrite.

I'm not the one who's attempting to rewrite history!

The former Apple clones were shut
out because they violated the agreements with Apple.

The former cloners were shut down because they built better computers
than Apple did for less money, and Apple couldn't compete! The cloners
did nothing but build Macs and sell them according to the licenses they
bought from Apple. There was no "can't take Apple's customers" clause
in their contracts! Apple didn't buy out PowerComputing because they're
nice guys, they did it because PowerComputing had the resources to sue
Apple to hell and back!

And neither Pystar or PearC have shown to be quality boxes as neither
have been selling to the OSX market long enough.

Their customers don't seem to agree with you!

Face it, there is little real benefit to the consumer market for
these over powered computers beyond them wanting it. There is
nothing wrong with that, because our economy depends on the
consumer moving the money.

I agree with you! Buy a single core PC instead of a Mac Mini or an
iMac!

Yes, feel free to do that because frankly I don't care which machine
or OS you buy. I only care which one I buy.

That leaves one wondering why you bothered to reply to this thread at
all.

Well, that might leave you as the 'one' that would be wondering.

Is that supposed to be an answer to why you're here arguing about things
you claim not to care about?
.

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