Re: Apple Lags Behind On DVD-R/RWs?

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:01:48 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

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If there is any more proof that Apple is lagging
behind
on
it's
novelty machines, just look at the Mini and the iMac.
All models
have 8x
DVD-R/RW drives. Why don't they have 16x, 18x or even
20x DVD-R/RWs on their
mainstream computers.
Because very few people really care,
Translation: It's Apple, so their customers will be
happy with sub-par
performance.
The majority of people at least in the US are buying
laptop computers
and have been for the last two or three years -- so they
obviously
don't care about the fastest performance. But why would
most people
care about the speed of the DVD player regardless? Do
you really
think that the majority of people are burning files to
flimsy DVD-RW's
instead of using some type of flash media? Also if you
want to talk about sub-par performance, let's look at
a
few things....
1. No Mac user is buying laptops with Celeron processors,
or Pentium
Dual Core processorss (not Core Duos) 2. Weren't the PC
users just defending Lauren for buying a slow AMD
Turon based laptop with a crappy display ? 3. Looking at
the average selling price of computers sold by Dell,
HP,
ASUS, etc, most PC buyers are buying low-end laptops with
"sub par"
performance.
AMAZING HOW SUB-PAR DVD BURNERS FROM APPLE ARE JUSTIFIED
HERE.

Not a single defense could even remotely be considered
valid.

Steve
So how about all of the PC users not only buying sub par
DVD Burners
(which relatively few people are using) but are also buying
computers
with sub par processors, video hardware, displays, etc?

Since Apple doesn't sell *any* computers with anything less
than a
Core 2 Duo 2Ghz besides the Air, by definition, no Mac
users are buying the sub par computers that the average
Windows user is buying.
Since every Mac comes with graphics hardware that is at
least four
times faster than Intel's integrated graphics *no* Mac
user is buying
a computer with the level of graphics that come on Dell's
and HP's
low
end computers. So obviously, it's PC users who are buying
Celeron based computers with crappy displays running Vista
Home Basic that
don't care about performance.
AMAZING HOW SUB-PAR DVD BURNERS FROM APPLE ARE JUSTIFIED
HERE.

That says it all.

Steve

To you, but then that is expected.

I notice that you don't 'justify' those sub-par windows boxes
for their
shitty graphics and processors...

Well, we were discussing DVD BURNERS. And you have seemingly
excluded
all Intel systems with "non shitty" graphics and processors.

I sure did start this about DVD Burners and guess what.
Apple is
putting a new x18 writer on the Mac Pro. I wonder why they
didn't put one
on
the Mini or iMac. Hmmmmmm...

John

Maybe because the casual home user those machines are targetted
for don't really give a shit about the speed of the DVD burner?

Actually the home user is just the person to buy something
because it's
faster or more powerful. Let's see a company put out a brand new P4
system
with a CD burner instead of a DVD burner and just for shits and
giggles, give it some old 72 pin memory sticks from the 90s. Then
put it in a really
cute case and see how well it sells. Seriously I've sold computers
to people
and been a consultant. The first thing they ask is how fast it is.
The next
things they ask is how much memory and how big the HD is. They ask
me is it
fast enough to run whatever. So you are wrong.

Have you ever looked at a computer ad these days? These big
companies
have really smart marketing people. They really push that speed and
memory
angle these days. They want people to think they're getting a good
deal on a
fast machine.

In an attempt to put this argument to rest and make some
people look
like they're clueless. Look at this page about a computer. Count
how many times you see the words "fast" and "big". Why use those
terms rather than "small" or "slower".

http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html

John

John that is just simple marketing skills. For the vast majority of
home users the need for all that power is placed in their head by the
marketing guys. They have to keep coming up with reasons for you to
get you to be unhappy with your current computer.

That's true, and that's the reason I'll take a computer will lesser
specs as long as it does what I need and costs less. What I won't do
is pay Apple more for lesser hardware than the price of faster
hardware, because somebody says I don't need the speed, or Apple
thought I wouldn't care about it!

There is a quality factor in there that you like to ignore.

I never ignore quality!

Apple boxes and the OS they made to run on them, is just a better
quality and less problematic over time.

If you say so. My PCs work fine and are cheaper, so I'll stay with
them. I just can't bring myself to pay the price of a Mac Mini when I
can get more in a PC for less money.

Not perfect, of course, but better.

For more money. For less hardware.

On the day the consumer figures out that a single-core 2.0Ghz machine
will do all they want to do as fast as they can actually tell it is
doing it, lots of computers will gather dust in the stores.

Including the dual core Mac Mini and the dual core iMacs? Single core
PCs can be had for less than $300. If that's all consumers need,
count Apple out of the consumer market!

Yes they can. They will be a POS because at that price no one is making
a decent profit on the box, hence no worry about quality.

That's a false premise. It's based on the idea a company must charge
the margins Apple does or else sell junk. It's simply not true!
PowerComputing proved that for Macs, which is why Apple had to shut them
down and buy them out! The PC makers continue to prove that point,
especially Psystar and PearC!

Face it, there is little real benefit to the consumer market for
these over powered computers beyond them wanting it. There is
nothing wrong with that, because our economy depends on the consumer
moving the money.

I agree with you! Buy a single core PC instead of a Mac Mini or an
iMac!

Yes, feel free to do that because frankly I don't care which machine or
OS you buy. I only care which one I buy.

That leaves one wondering why you bothered to reply to this thread at all.
.

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