Re: Don't forget, Macs JUST WORK!!!

Sermo Malifer wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:49:59 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Sermo Malifer wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:48:00 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Steve de Mena wrote:
Preston wrote:
On 2009-04-08 17:43:33 -0600, MuahMan <muahman@xxxxxxxxx> said:

On Apr 8, 6:26 pm, Preston <pres...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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MuahMan <muah...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Only they don't.
This is a basically brand new (3 months old) iMac 24". Most
likely suspect is a fried hard drive.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-9rdQQOxz0
I don't even have the time to detail the problems I've had with
the myriad PCs I've owned over the years. Singling out a hard
drive failure, which happens to all computers (and Apple
introduced Time Machine to cope with), is dumb.
It's not the HD. It's the Logic Board, which is Apple's word for
Tyan Motherboard.
I've had to replace two of those, one in a Dell and another in an
HP.

I also had a motherboard failure in my Macbook, but I received a new
one, automatically restored the entire volume from a Time Machine
backup, and it was as if nothing happened.


My Mac Mini logic board failed after the warranty. $650 to repair.

Took the drives and memory out of it and tossed it down the trash
chute.


I've seen our shop buy into Columbia computer products that did the
same thing.
I've seen TRS-80s fail even quicker than your mac mini. I've seen
Acers fail about as fast.
What about all the stories saying we're supposed to be able to sell a
Mac three years later for 60% of what we paid for it?
That was when Apple was using IBM series processors.

You mean PowerPC processors?
Yes.

What about Motorola 68K processors?

I think that these too had a good resale value.


It was a marketing perception, and people bought into it.

Most people didn't!


Heh, most people did tho.
I think one of the reasons school districts bought into Macs was its resale capabilities.
But as the computing demands have gone up, this no longer applies.

It doesn't seem to
have worked out that way for Steve, and whatever you say about
Columbia, TRS-80, and Acer doesn't appear to offer any comfort.
But these did fail. Does Radio Shack sell its own brand of computers
today? Columbia went down the drain and Acer is still trying to shake
their bad image.

Did any of them justify a higher price by saying you could resell their product three years later for 60% of what you paid for them? No, they didn't!


Of course they didn't... but they also had a high failure rate.
Who would buy into any of these that were about three years old?


Parts for computers are made from a few vendors and they will fail from
time to time.

IOW, don't pay Apple's price for a PC!


You forget the environmental tests done on parts.
If a part passes, which takes time and money, obviously you have to pass the
cost to the consumer. Untested parts are a bit riskier. Sure, you could get a PC
that hangs in there, but it is like playing russian roulette.


Because steve made a claim that his mac mini failed could just be bogus.

Or it could be true. You just need it to be "bogus."


If he only made one claim, I would've believed it. But he has made far too many failure
claims to make people suspicious of his claims.

I know our local newspaper uses a lot of mac minis for a few years now and they aren't having the problems other people are claiming.

I've never been in a plane crash, so all those crashes I see on TV must be fake.


Strawman argument.


The best hardware I've ever had the experience to work with was made by
DEC. Now their stuff was pricey but at least they worked for years.

I've got some cheap PCs that have been working for years.


I've got an old IBM too. Doesn't mean it is useful in current situations tho.
The DEC is still useful because it is very secure and has earned that rating.

I've still got two
VAXStation 4000 vlcs that still work since 1994. Their terminals worked
for a very long
time before breaking... like 15 years. You won't see hardware built like
that anymore.

What has that got to do with the PCs Apple sells currently? Are you saying new Apple products are junk compared to DEC equipment?

Both of my DECs are are still useful and they are PCs. They just don't use an Intel processor is all.

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