Re: Apple Lags Behind On DVD-R/RWs?


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John Slade wrote:
If there is any more proof that Apple is lagging behind on
it's novelty machines, just look at the Mini and the iMac. All
models have 8x DVD-R/RW drives. Why don't they have 16x, 18x or
even 20x DVD-R/RWs on their mainstream computers. Dell and HP
have
computers that are cheaper that come with faster drives. I'll
tell
you the reason, when you make a proprietary novelty machine,
it's
hard to upgrade to the next drive. Right now I can put a
Blue-Ray
player on a Dell or HP computer, do that with Apple's mainstream
computers. To get a Blue-Ray player inside a Mini or iMac, you
have
to wait until Apple designs a new one, if they don't plan to
drop
the turkey that is. Your only choice is to buy a USB drive and
that
means more desk clutter which negates the main selling point of
the
Mini and iMac. The only Mac that has a newer DVD-R/RW is the Mac
Pro and who is dumb enough to buy a $2500 machine just to get a
better optical drive? For those who don't know, the reason the
Mac
Pro has a drive is because it has a big case where you can
install
an off the shelf drive in it easily.
Guffaw! Because the vendors can't put a reliable RW dvd out at
those higher speeds, that's why.
That's why most people use DVD-Rs not DVD-RWs. The "R" means
"recordable" not ROM in this case.

You missed the point on this one.
When you insert a blank DVD into an Apple dvd drive and using the
disk
utility tool,
and have something to record, the tool makes a suggestion of a
lower
speed for a
successful burn. Then it verifys the burn. Going faster may make
a
coaster or on
a rewrittable dvd a redo. So is speed such a big deal?
You know what? When I put a blank DVD-R in, a menu pops up
asking
me what program I want to use with the disk. I can choose to burn a
data disk or whatever from any number of programs. I choose Nero and
drag and drop the files I want copied. Then when I hit burn, it
allows
me to burn at maximum speed or I can drop down that menu to pick a
slower speed. I ALWAYS use maximum with my Verbatim media. I burnt
at
16x every time. Out of about 220 DVDs burned, I have had maybe three
coasters and they were ALL due to a corrupted file. I think if
you're
worried about the Mac's DVD drive burning a coaster, if you go
faster
then 8x, then it shows you have little faith in Apple hardware. I
can
understand this because you've been using Macs for a while. I don't
worry about faster speeds. I verify every disk through a separate
program because I just like it better, I could use verify with Nero
as
I burn also. However I find that all those disk are burned just
fine.
So you saying that burning at faster speeds is pure horse ***, well
unless you go and buy the cheap ass junk media they sell to people
who
don't know. Hey maybe Apple could start making blank DVDs to their
"high standards", stamp a big read Apple with a bite taken out of it
and sell them for $5 bucks a piece. The Mac Kook Zealots would buy
that
*** without question and claim it's better than the media PC users
use. Well that is until they find out it's rebranded Taiyo Yuden or
Mitsubishi Chemicals DVDs.

LOL That's a good one. "You don't want faster speeds because
you
might get errors." Yea right, then why the *** does Apple put a 16x
DVD writer on it's Mac Pro?
I've got the same thing, but the disk utility selects the suggeted
burn
speed for the best
reliability. Just like speed limit signs on highways. Sure, you've
got
your corvette and
got at great high speeds, but run the risk of crash and burn.


But when you're talking about DVD writers, that does not apply.
You
can safely burn at higher speeds.

But of course you'd rather blow away a perfectly good dvd on a risk,
right?
Guffaw!!!

Ummm. No. I would rather buy QUALITY MEDIA than the $20 for 100
DVD-Rs from CMC that may or may not be total crap. It's a crap shoot
when
you buy ***. How do you know it's the speed of the writer every time
you
get a coaster and not the shitty media?

I don't know...

That's the truest thing you ever said.

I've never burnt a coaster yet on this iMac.
I follow the suggested speed.

I suspect you either haven't been burning but a few days or you're
lying
through your teeth.

Just curious, what DVD burning software do you use?

I don't burn much other than backups these days. I use the Disk Utility
that comes with OSX.


I regularly burn at 16x. It takes between five and seven minutes to
write
a full DVD. Out of about 220 I've had three coasters and the reason
was a
corrupted image file. Your argument doesn't hold much water.


I don't need to hold water, I let go of it from time to time.
And yet you did get some coasters... gee, I wonder why?


I told you why, I downloaded a corrupt image file for a Linux
distribution and I had a corrupt image form a copied DVD. The error was
in
the reading so it left the DVD only partially written in all three cases.
I
could have probably used special software to repair the disks so I could
burn other sessions on them but hey why waste the time?

Anyway are you saying Apple is wrong for putting a 18x DVD burner
on
the Mac Pro?

John

MacPro is for a different market, one that would most likely really need
it versus the geek that gets off on more is better without any need for
more.

It's not NEEDED per se because a 4x DVD burner would do the same job. It
just saves time to have faster speeds. You keep dancing around the issue
because you lost the argument time and time again.

Let me explain one more time. Apple could upgrade the DVD writer easier.
All they had to do was install a drive and it didn't need a major overhaul.
With the other small puters from Apple, it takes a redesign because they're
slot drives that are specially made. What will you say if the next crop of
iMacs and Minis come with a 18x or 20x DVD writer? I can't wait to see you
dance some more.

John


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