Re: A Moment Of Silence

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:20:50 -0800, C Lund wrote
(in article
<christopher.lund-16E7F9.12205012112008@adsl-065-015-208-
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In article <0001HW.C53FAA0400293ADEF01846D8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sonnova <sonnova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:03:44 -0800, C Lund wrote
(in article
<christopher.lund-28C012.02034412112008@adsl-065-015-208-
084.sip.ilm.bellsouth.net>):

In article <0001HW.C53F634C0018A75FF01846D8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sonnova <sonnova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:46:21 -0800, C Lund wrote
(in article
<christopher.lund-D73FE4.23462111112008@adsl-065-015-208-
084.sip.ilm.bellsouth.net>):
In article <0001HW.C53F14A8000638ADF01846D8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sonnova <sonnova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Believe me, without the Western Allies, The USSR wouldn't have left.
I don't believe you.
Since they were never there in the first place, it doesn't matter much.
No
Soviets liberated Norway, the Germans just pulled out because the troops
were
needed on the home front in Germany and Western Europe

So much for your knowledge of WWII.

You're going to have to prove this assertion.

Easy:

"Sovjet-russiske militærstyrker befridde Kirkenes i oktober 1944, og
sammen med en mindre gruppe norske soldater drev tyskerne helt ut av
Finnmark. Da de tyske okkupantene i Norge endelig kapitulerte i april
1945,var det bare omkring 3000 norske soldater i Finnmark som sørget
for norsk suverenitet over områdene og hjalp den hardt rammede
lokalbefolkninga. Etter den norsk-sovjetiske frigjøringsavtalen forlot
de siste sovjetiske tropper norsk territorium i august-september 1945."

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvangsevakueringen_og_nedbrenningen_av_Fin
nmark_og_Nord-Troms


"Vi minnes i dag at det er 60 år siden soldater fra Den Røde Armé
krysset grensen til Norge, for å frigjøre den nordligste delen av
landet vårt fra tysk okkupasjon.
Frigjøringen av Sør-Varanger var en milepæl i Norges krigshistorie og
i vår historie i det forrige århundre i det hele. For Norge var dette
et vendepunkt i annen verdenskrig."

http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dokumentarkiv/Regjeringen-Bondevik-II/ud/2
65100/267853/60_ar_siden_frigjoringen_av_finnmark.html?id=268890


Oh, maybe you wanted something in english:

"When the Russians liberated parts of Norway, no rapes or other
atrocities were reported to have been committed by the Soviet Army.
Thus, the attitudes between the liberating Russians and the liberated
Norwegians are friendly attitudes."

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/sami/dieda/hist/wwii.htm


It's actually difficult to find articles about this in english. This
might be why:

"The role the Soviet Army played in liberating Europe from the Nazis
was deliberately played down in the postwar years as well as during
WWII. This could be seen in the delayed opening of the second front,
in inconsistent and often superficial coverage of the events on the
Eastern, or Soviet front. Our allies, particularly, Great Britain and
Churchill personally, sought to show that the main role in the victory
belonged to them alone, and Britain in particular.
Back in April 1942, for one, Roosevelt wrote to Churchill: your and my
people are demanding the opening of the second front to ease the
burden for the Russians, but our people have no idea that the Russians
are killing more Germans and eliminating more weapons of the enemy
than the US and GreatBritain put together."

More from the same article:

"The real second front was not opened until after the Tehran
Conference. Then the Anglo-American troops landed in Normandy in 1944.
It was at the time when the Allies realized that we could liberate
Europe without them."

And:

"This was another way of playing down the contribution of the Soviet
Army in defeating the Nazis. Today, people tend to forget, for
example, that Soviet soldiers liberated Auschwitz."

Link:

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/9080-11.cfm

Do yourself a favor and read the whole article.



So, you're calling the Finnmark incursion a liberation? Its a liberation in
the same way that the Russians joined the fight against Japan. Just as they
waited until Japan was ready to fold before joining in that fight, they
crossed into Norway above the Arctic circle to Finnmark after the Germans had
already started to pull out of southern Norway. Some liberation. And the only
reason that they left instead of pulling Northern Norway behind the Iron
Curtain is because Stalin's advisors convinced him that he would piss-off the
Western Allies if he tried to pull that. Saying that the Russians "liberated"
Norway is like me saying that I liberated France because I visited Normandy
once.

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