Re: 10.5.4 Released


"Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:teadams$2$0$0$3-D53C63.18201206072008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In article <KpWdnRqqELz4Qu3VnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"John" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"David Empson" <dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1ijoptn.1gos6e9zq0n3eN%dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In article <1ijohvb.12rytpuraasyN%dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (David Empson) wrote:
>>
>> > Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The combo updater does NOT go back and reapply all of the 10.5.1,
>> > > 10.5.2
>> > > and 10.5.3 before doing the 10.5.4 update.
>> >
>> > That is almost exactly what it does, except that it does it in a >> > single
>> > step rather than applying multiple consecutive updates.
>>
>> NO. The combo updater looks at what the systems current version is and
>> updated
>> that.
>
> I just looked at the contents of the 10.5.4 Combo update package (with
> Pacifist) and it does not contain anything resembling a script which
> checks exactly which version you are current running, nor does it have
> any structure which would imply it distinguishes between different
> existing 10.5.x base versions.
>
> All of the files which are installed by the 10.5.4 update are grouped
> together inside a single "Payload" file. Pacifist shows the contents of
> this as a single collection of files organised into the appropriate
> directories (Applications, Library, System, etc.). The set of files
> includes everything that would be needed to update 10.5 to 10.5.4.
>
> There is a "distribution" XML file that contains a script which checks
> that you are running any version from 10.5 to 10.5.4 inclusive. It also
> contains a function for Software Update to check whether your computer
> needs the combo update or whether the delta update is sufficient, i.e.
> it doesn't offer the combo update if you are already running 10.5.3, > but
> this doesn't prevent you running it manually.
>
> The 10.5.4 combo update doesn't contain any information about the set > of
> files that need to be installed if you are currently running 10.5.1,
> 10.5.2 or 10.5.3, just the set of files to get from 10.5 to 10.5.4.
>
>> If you have a link to something from Apple that says differently, I >> would
>> be interested in seeing it.
>
> I haven't seen anything in the general support area on Apple's web site
> which gives a general description of how a combo update works. The only
> references I found from Apple were individual descriptions of each > combo
> update.
>
> There is detailed developer documentation on creating installer
> packages, which includes a description of how the installer operates.
> This page seems to be the most relevant:
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/Soft
> wareDistribution/Managed_Installs/chapter_5_section_4.html#//apple_ref/d
> oc/uid/10000145i-CH6-SW10>
>
> Here the summary overview:
>
> [begin quote]
>
> After the Installer application opens a package, it performs the
> installation process in several phases:
>
> * Requirements Check
>
> Installer ensures that the installation host meets the system and > volume
> requirements specified by the package.
>
> * Preinstall
>
> Installer runs preflight and preinstall/preupgrade executables. If an
> executable returns anything other than 0, the install is cancelled.
>
> * Install
>
> Installer extracts the payload of component packages and copies it to
> the appropriate destinations.
>
> * Save Receipt
>
> Installer copies the component package file (with its payload stripped)
> to the Library/Receipts directory in the installation volume.
>
> * Postinstall
>
> Installer runs postinstall/postupgrade and postflight executables.
>
> [end quote]
>
> Key points in this case: the 10.5.4 combo update is a "distribution"
> package (described further down the page), and it only contains a > single
> component package, which is the 10.5.4 update installer. It has no
> evident preflight, etc. scripts, but they might be buried inside a
> compressed file. In any case, they don't affect the main body of the
> installation, apart from potentially making the installer stop, or
> moving files around before or after the installation.
>
> According to above sequence, if the installer decides to proceed with
> installing the 10.5.4 combo update, it will extract everything in the
> contained package (i.e. the accumulation of all of the 10.5.1, 10.5.2,
> 10.5.3, 10.5.4 and earlier security and minor updates) and copy them to
> the appropriate locations.
>
> Comparing the 10.5.4 combo update to the 10.5.4 delta update in
> Pacifist, the only significant difference is the version check (the
> delta update will only work on 10.5.3 or 10.5.4) and the set of files > is
> a lot smaller, because it doesn't include all the files from 10.5.1,
> 10.5.2 and 10.5.3 which weren't updated again in 10.5.4.
>
>> > The 10.5.4 combo update will add, delete and replace files as >> > required
>> > to bring any prior version of 10.5 up to 10.5.4.
>>
>> not according to several web sites I've read.
>
> Examples?
>
> They are probably mistaken, given all the evidence I've seen and from > my
> personal experience.
>
>> > It does this by reinstalling all files that were added or modified >> > in
>> > any of the 10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3 and 10.5.4 delta updates, plus any
>> > intervening security updates and other minor updates which Apple
>> > decided
>> > to incorporate into subsequent "system" updates.
>>
>> Recent security updates are included in the updater as well as the >> combo
>> package.
>
> The 10.5.4 combo update has the updated versions of any files included
> in earlier security updates, but it doesn't retain any information > about
> where those files came from - they are just part of the mass collection
> of files that make up 10.5.4 (which weren't in 10.5.0).
>
>> > Apple have occasionally recommended this as a means of fixing >> > problems.
>> > For example, this article:
>> >
>> > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306043
>>
>> A document suggesting using the combo updater to fix a bad install of >> the
>> previous updater. It does not support the statements you made above >> that
>> all of the files from older version will be replaced.
>
> Not directly, but it does say that the 10.4.10 combo update will repair
> a broken system caused by a problem in the QuickTime 7.2 update.
>
> Since the 10.4.10 combo update came out before the QuickTime 7.2 > update,
> there is no way the 10.4.10 combo update can know which files to
> install. It is reinstalling 10.4.10 on top of itself, fixing whatever
> problem was introduced by the QuickTime 7.2 update.
>
> If it worked the way you claim, the 10.4.10 combo update would see it
> was already running on 10.4.10 and then exit because it didn't need to
> install anything. It does not do that. It spends ages copying files to
> from the installer package to the system.
>
> -- > David Empson
> dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


This is correct. The Combo Updater reinstalls everything

michael glasser calls me a liar, since he claims you never said the combo
updater replace _all the files_ and here you go again proving that you have said
just that.
michael glasser will continue to spout his lies however, since that apparently
is all he know how to do.

and is highly
likely to replace any OS file that may be damaged. All without having to
result to a reinstall of the OS and all the extra work that may entail.


I am sorry I forgot you were Tim Adams and retarded. I mean to say REINSTALLS EVERYTHING INCLUDED in 10.4.1, 10.4.2, 14.4.3,10.4.4,


Does that spell it out fore yolu you fucking retard?

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