Re: Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

In article <znu-C35771.03350112062008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ZnU
<znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

News:
Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.

Still a fashion accessory, no more.

Calvin:
This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?

ZnU:
MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and
receive real e-mail with attachments?

Sandman:
Huh? MMS is a huge miss in the iPhone, especially when considering
the younger market. Email has nothing to put up against MMS,
really. The entire point of MMS is that your phone beeps when you
get one, which is pushed to your phone automatically.

Push email is only available for a $99 yearly fee from Apple and
you have to let everyone that wants to send you images about your
puch email address and you get the same new mail sound (which
I've turned off by the way).

So no, email can't substitute MMS since it's through the internet
and MMS is through the cellular network where push information is
the standard.

ZnU:
I did say "in the long run". Apple is always rather future-oriented
with this sort of thing. Phone-specific protocols have no
substantial future. In the long run we're all going to be carrying
around generic computing devices with wireless broadband
connections. IM and e-mail, over the public Internet, will
eventually replace SMS and MMS, and even voice service will
probably eventually fall to VoIP.

Television companies here in Sweden have a hard time moving to
WAN-distributed TV broadcasts due to bandwidth problems that the
digital dedicated net doesn't have. Doing it over the internet is
totally unthinkable in the foreseeable future.

The problem with "internet" is that it's shared with an increasing
amount of users outside the control of the telecom operators. If they
get a million new customers on their cell network, they build a bigger
network. If their users depended solely on communications through
shared networks outside the operators net, the operator can't
guarantee bandwidth, which is a problem.

And you still have the problem with standards. SMS/MMS is fairly
universal and "every" phone knows how to handle them and what to do
when the event occurs.

And if the only difference is that the MMS messages comes through
internet than through the cellular network (i.e. you avoid the horror
of distributing "push email addresses" to your contacts), why not
impletement a cellular-driven solution right now as they did SMS?

The carriers don't want this to happen, because they want to be able
to bill for specific services rather than just for generic
bandwidth, but in the long run it's inevitable.

I get 5000 free SMS and MMS and unlimited voice and video calls each
month for a flat rate of $70/month for my cellular service. The SMS
boom is slowly dying here in Scnadinavia. Most cellular providers
compete in how many free SMS you get each month, not on the price for
the single SMS sent, which was the case a couple of years ago.

As far as push goes, Apple has created a generalized solution for
allowing services on the public Internet to push to the iPhone. This
is a much more sensible idea than requiring a carrier's specific
cooperation for every application requiring push.

Right, but then it's still tied to the identity of me as an Apple
customer, not necessarily my phone number. I bet that could be married
together somehow, though.

But even so, we're still incompatible with 99.9% of the rest of the
world for now and for a great number of years ahead if we're supposed
to wait for the iPhone to be dominant enough for "Apples way" to be
the "right" way.

And that's just a shame. And a pretty huge threshold for young people
to buy in to the iPhone I think. At least here in scandinavia.

I think it would have been way better for Apple to just support it out
of the box and then introduce a Better Way<tm> when they were ready
with the services and such. They did put a substansive amount of
developer time to get Visual Voicemail to work, which is a new
cellular driven service. If they were bent on doing it the "apple way"
they could have had voicemails saved to .mac or something like that.

--
Sandman[.net]
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