Re: Now that's monopoly power...

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <Etqdnca8wLZzJtHVnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Steve de Mena <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <WM6dnW3vP4qNANHVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Steve de Mena <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <mPSdnZkDxPiLBNHVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Steve de Mena <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <GLudnQ9KCIf0EdHVnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Steve de Mena <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <c988a6ed-dc3a-43db-be22-9488897894a1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Edwin <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 8, 5:01 am, Mitch <mi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article
<011fb295-4fdc-4254-b9db-6c39dfcc2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Edward Scholl <edsch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You're objecting to my word for Microsoft's influence? Is that all,
seriously?
Okay; "pushing."
You just go on now and try to refute what I wrote if I used that milder
word.
well hell, if you'd just said that, no one would have any issues- OF
COURSE ms WANTS developers to get certified and release drivers for
hardware as quick as possible!
You'd think so -- but this new requirement doesn't help that at all.
How does having Windows 7 drivers certified before Windows 7 is
released "not help at all?"
So according to you the only two options are either force developers to test for a beta OS that may never be released
Huh? How could a Microsoft OS be in Beta 1 stage and "never be released"?

Steve
You think that every piece of software that makes it to beta stage is released?

LOL
No. Did I say that? The next version of Windows, by Microsoft, is what is under discussion, and you questioned whether it would be released.
Yup. If the delays in Vista are anything to go by, then MS may be forcing developers to expend resources on an OS they may never get released in the form in which they first present it.
Beta 1 of Vista was in September or October 2005. No one was talking about when something is first presented. We were talking about the Beta 1 release.
But Vista isn't what they set out to build, now is it? Vista is what was left after they had to slash everything else away.
Those things they slashed away I think you referring to (Longhorn) never had a "Beta 1".

Microsoft is not forcing developers to do anything, by the way.
They are, actually.

They are forcing developers who want certification for Windows Vista to to testing against an entirely different product.
"WHO WANT CERTIFICATION". That's a major clarification.

So what? You're claiming there are no manufacturers who want it?

No, did I claim that? You said Microsoft FORCED developers to go through this process. They are not.

I don't know anyone who cares if a driver is "certified" or not. I just want it to work.

And how do you determine that *prior* to purchase?

I don't know. When I look at a web site for products and I see it supports Windows Vista or whatever, there is no indication to me whether it is "certified" or not.

So even if I wanted to use that to make a buying decision it would be hard to do so.

Steve
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