Re: Macs not used in business, part II

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"PC Guy" <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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So you didn't find sufficient detail in the first article, do you,
wintrolls?

Ignoring the fact that your argument was utterly circular, let's
simply
look at another article on the same company and its switch to the
Mac:

<http://www.cio.com/article/328917/A_New_Day_for_Macs_in_the_Enterpris
e_/
2>

"Shani Magosky, chief operating officer (with IT responsibilities)
of
Jaffe Associates, a 25-person marketing and public relations firm,
didn't need the iPhone to embrace Apple.

Magosky started looking into Macs for her traditionally PC and
Windows-based company back in the fall of 2006, she says. She wasn't
necessarily wooed by Bono singing in an iPod commercial. She was
sick
of
PCs breaking all the time, she says. Then there was the "sticker
shock"
of learning what it would cost her to upgrade to Microsoft's
SharePoint
collaboration software (and the accompanying server technology.)

Specifically, she'd been running an outdated version of Microsoft's
terminal server, which allowed her employees (all of whom work
remotely,
as Jaffe has no central office) to connect to the network and share
files. "It was unnecessarily slow and unreliable," she says. "We
ended
up spending a fortune on IT trouble-shooting."

With her terminal server being outdated, she was told the best
option
would be to upgrade to SharePoint, which, after purchasing and
installing the server, buying the software licenses and all the
support
surrounding it, would have cost US$100,000, Magosky says. "They
nickel
and dime you," she says."

Office SharePoint Server 2007 - $4,424
Office SharePoint Server 2007 Standard CAL - $94

Total cost: $6,774 Retail pricing. That's a far cry from $100K even if
you
factor in brand new PCs with Vista Business, Office 2007 Professional,
two
copies of Windows Server Standard 2008, Exchange 2007 w/25 CALs.

Sorry but it looks as if she was given some poor advice. I cannot for
the
life of me figure out how they were quoted $100K. The prices I've
given
replace every piece of software plus the computers and it comes to
approximately ~$32K. Where is the other $68K going? This is a serious
question.

I dunno either, but maybe installation, training and data
conversion/transfer?

Perhaps. But why would those costs not occur for the Mac solution? And
what
is the Mac solution?

Also it isn't unheard of for a company to want to make a profit from a
sale, and I can tell you that the profit from hardware at retail isn't
worth making a sale these days. When I was quoting out a turnkey
system, I didn't use retail at all for quoting purposes.

Nothing wrong with making a profit. But then let's call a spade a spade.
The
Windows solution didn't cost $100K. The Windows solution was trivial in
cost
and the remainder went to the vendor. Seems the company was getting taken
for a ride here.

Certainly possible of course, but since we don't actually know what was
needed and what the solution is, it is impossible to tell.

BINGO! We have a winner. Which means this article is worthless. There's
enough doubt here to think the company in question was being given accurate
information.

So, it's impossible to tell if the costs were required, but that proves
they weren't...

Riiiiight.

--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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