Re: Macs not used in business?

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Tell it to these guys:

"Many smart shops I chat with are dumping their Windows
machines
for Macs. Take Jaffe Associates, a Washington, D.C., marketing
and
business-strategy consultancy. This 25-person firm recently
unplugged its traditional Windows server architecture to
install a
similar system from none other than Apple.

The company considered upgrading its aging Windows XP terminal
server but endured Microsoft sticker shock when it calculated
the
cost of deploying collaborative software: Chief Operating
Officer
Shani Magosky got a quote for $100,000.

Then she priced Apple technology for same functionality and
found
she could build a similar system for about half the price."

<http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/29/smallbusiness/macs_small_biz.fsb
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There is no such thing as a "Windows XP terminal server".

Your only argument that this isn't a credible account is that the
reporter didn't use the correct term?

I also said I don't buy the "$100,000 for 25 people". So how can
you
say this is my "only argument".

If it is demonstrated that a reporter has already gotten one fact
wrong (the "Windows XP terminal server") how can we trust the
other
facts reported?

Please.

$100,000 for 25 people?? No sale.

That's what Jaffe Associates said!

No sale. I want to see this documented (i.e. itemized)

I'll document it costs considerably less than $100K:

Windows Server 2008 Standard - $999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 5 CALs (User or
Device, chosen after purchase)

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 20-pack - $2,979
Twenty additional Windows Server 2008 TS CALs (User or Device,
chosen
at time of purchase)

Total: $3,978

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx

And this without any discounts. Man do I want to talk to this
company
about some stuff I've got for sale! No wonder they're moving to
Macintosh...they're gullible and willing to pay through the nose.

Whoops...misread the number of CALs in the TS package. Throw on
another
$749 for five more CALs:

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 5-pack - $749
Five additional Windows Server 2008 Terminal Server (TS) CALs (User
or
Device, chosen at time of purchase)

Total cost: $4,727

Let's add 25 copies of Windows Vista Business and 25 copies of Office
Professional, and Exchange Server (w/25 Cals). That could bring it
to
$10k, maybe $15k tops.

Much better to spend $37,500 (25 x $1,499 [20" iMac]). And that's
without
any backend infrastructure.

No company Email? No file sharing? No shared directory?

Not for the Mac "solution"

Of course for the Mac solution, "PC Guy".

The mac solution they've *chosen* remember (and they know their
particulars better than you, obviously) was $50,000.

I'm sure they do. But there is reason to question their numbers when they
claim the Windows TS solution was going to be $100K for a 25 user
configuration and I've demonstrated a Windows TS solution that supports 25
users can be had for a mere $4,727. That quite a difference don't you think?
I suspect the part that drove the cost up had nothing to do with Windows or
Microsoft but perhaps some third party software. But since the article was
woefully lacking any detail it essentially is worthless in proving your
point.

They never made that claim. You're reading a reporters interpretation
and reduction of what they said.

That having been said, the article made it quite clear that the company
in question, Jaffe Associates, was going to go with a Mac solution
because it was going to cost them half as much as the Windows solution.

That you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

Do you know how much a fully kitted-out Xserve costs? And what it gives
you?


--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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