Re: Macs not used in business?



"Steve de Mena" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:P4mdnV99UZ8qltrVnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PC Guy wrote:


"PC Guy" <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:LaSdnY86k8gKYtvVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tell it to these guys:

"Many smart shops I chat with are dumping their Windows machines for Macs. Take Jaffe Associates, a Washington, D.C., marketing and business-strategy consultancy. This 25-person firm recently unplugged its traditional Windows server architecture to install a similar system from none other than Apple.

The company considered upgrading its aging Windows XP terminal server but endured Microsoft sticker shock when it calculated the cost of deploying collaborative software: Chief Operating Officer Shani Magosky got a quote for $100,000.

Then she priced Apple technology for same functionality and found she could build a similar system for about half the price."

<http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/29/smallbusiness/macs_small_biz.fsb/index.h
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There is no such thing as a "Windows XP terminal server".

Your only argument that this isn't a credible account is that the reporter didn't use the correct term?

I also said I don't buy the "$100,000 for 25 people". So how can you say this is my "only argument".

If it is demonstrated that a reporter has already gotten one fact wrong (the "Windows XP terminal server") how can we trust the other facts reported?

Please.

$100,000 for 25 people?? No sale.

That's what Jaffe Associates said!

No sale. I want to see this documented (i.e. itemized)

I'll document it costs considerably less than $100K:

Windows Server 2008 Standard - $999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 5 CALs (User or Device, chosen after purchase)

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 20-pack - $2,979
Twenty additional Windows Server 2008 TS CALs (User or Device, chosen at time of purchase)

Total: $3,978

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx

And this without any discounts. Man do I want to talk to this company about some stuff I've got for sale! No wonder they're moving to Macintosh...they're gullible and willing to pay through the nose.

Whoops...misread the number of CALs in the TS package. Throw on another $749 for five more CALs:

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 5-pack - $749
Five additional Windows Server 2008 Terminal Server (TS) CALs (User or Device, chosen at time of purchase)

Total cost: $4,727

Let's add 25 copies of Windows Vista Business and 25 copies of Office Professional, and Exchange Server (w/25 Cals). That could bring it to $10k, maybe $15k tops.

Windows Server 2008 Standard - $999
Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 5 CALs (User or Device, chosen after purchase)

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 20-pack - $2,979
Twenty additional Windows Server 2008 TS CALs (User or Device, chosen at time of purchase)

Windows Server 2008, TS Client Access License 5-pack - $749
Five additional Windows Server 2008 Terminal Server (TS) CALs (User or Device, chosen at time of purchase)

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx

Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition - $699 US
Enables creation of up to 5 storage groups, with a maximum of 5 databases per Mailbox server role.

Exchange Server 2007 Standard CAL - $67 US
The Exchange Server 2007 user/device CAL is required for each user/device gaining access to the server, and entitles access rights to both editions of Exchange Server.

http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/howtobuy/default.mspx#E3D

Windows Vista Business with SP1 - $299

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0286425

Office Professional 2007 - $499

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0253577

Total cost:

2 x $999 Windows Server = $1,998
1 - 20 TS CALs = $2,979
1 - 25 TS CALs = $749
1 - Exchange Server Standard Edition = $699
25 x $67 - Exchange Server CALs = $1,675
25 x $299 - Vista Business = $7,475
25 x $499 - Office Professional = $12,475

Total: $28,050. Only a Mactard would pay full retail for this. And even so they'd get the entire package for $9,450 less than just buying the iMac computers (which ignores any kind of backend infrastructure).

The article was woefully lacking in detail so I assume there's some other software which the company intended to buy.

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