Re: OT:Is Obama as entrenched with the radical left as it appears?

On Jun 2, 8:08 am, Snit <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"ed" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
3c300f35-199a-43da-a682-5ae636a7c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 6/2/08
7:50 AM:

On Jun 2, 2:47 am, Snit <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"ed" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
<snip>
i like barack in general, but his economic policies kill me.  :
(  invest in manufacturing?  c'mon, really?  is that really the path
forward for this country?  help homeowners avoid foreclosure- how
about we let people who took out loans they couldn't afford lose their
houses so that the market corrects itself (rather than being propped
up by the gov't) and those who (responsibly) sat on the sidelines can
afford houses?  rank credit cards from 1-5 stars?  should the gov't be
doing this sh@t?  more paid family leave- i live in cali where we have
this already, and let me tell ya, i don't like picking up work for
other people who have kids (they take time off when kids are born to
bond, when kids are sick, when kids have to go to doctor...  it adds
up to a serious chunk of time (outside of their vacation and sick
time).  sheesh.).

What do you suggest people with families do when their kids get sick?  Just
leave their jobs... quit or get fired?  

uh, no, there's a family leave act *now*- it unpaid though, so people
would do the same thing they'd do now, or if they ran out of paid
family leave under the new plan, eh (it's not unlimited after all)?
(that'd typically be *unpaid* leave, which )

The rules should be fair though: if
someone who does not have children has family members they need to take care
of they should be under the same rules as those with children.

yeah, except that happens a lot less frequently (even with the graying
of the baby boomers), so the childless still ends up picking up the
slack.  

And the healthy end up "picking up the slack" with health insurance.
And those that do not have house disasters "pick up the slack" with house
insurance".
And those who do not have car accidents "pick up the slack" for those that
do. Family leave is a sort of insurance...

sort of, and sort of not. part of it acts a *little* bit like
insurance, part of it acts a *lot* like an extra benefit. it's
probably no coincidence that fmla leave increases on mondays and
fridays!

http://www.heritage.org/Research/labor/sr16.cfm#_Chptref4
(all examples from public comments to dept. of labor's rfi concerning
fmla)

and parents eligible for fmla take off work 3x more than those w/out
fmla benefits (i guess the kids get that much sicker, eh? :P )
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/119/5/e1047

you hope to never need it but for
those who do need it, for any reason, it is there.  

family leaves covers birth and time off afterwards for 'bonding,' so
your statement 'you hope to never need it' is false for a lot of
people (and from my experience (ymmv- i suspect the fact that cali's
being paid skews the use (from having to take time off, to wanting to
take time off)) with paid family leave in cali, birth is the *primary*
reason people use paid family leave).

Yes, it "costs" others
in the short term but in the long run society as a whole benefits.

of course someone with kids thinks that!

those w/out kids pick up enough slack otherwise (taxes,
insurance, etc)- this is yet another thing to help those with kids.

This one makes some sense... the idea that I get such big discounts for
having kids is a bit odd, but so is the fact that I have tax benefits from
being a home owner... and tax benefits from being married.  

yup. bogus.

one of that
makes sense, really.  Then again, that makes no less sense than all the
corporate tax benefits.

irrelevant to the conversation of course (other than the fact that
barack proposes some new corporate tax benefits in the form of the
patriot employer act).
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