Re: Steve Carroll does not know the difference between saving and quitting.

"Wally" <Wally@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
C43C1CDA.1BBC9%Wally@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/28/08 9:31 AM:

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When you press the red close button (or otherwise close) the last window of
a program there is no GUI indicator to tell the user if the program will
quit or not.

Why should there be?

It will close the app if it is unable to be used any further with that
window closed, or in an app where it can be used for additional work it
won't!

Most apps cannot be used with no window open... Photoshop for example and
yet it does not quit. Nor does iCal or Cyberduck or Safari or Firefox or
Dreamweaver or ... well, on and on and on.

This creates a situation where there is unpredictability.

It will close the app if it is unable to be used any further with that
particular window closed, or in an app where it can be used for additional
work it won't!

That is completely predictable!

Already been established you are incorrect.

I believe it would be better if there was some GUI indicator...

Where is the need considering that the name of the app will remain shown
after the act of closing a window has taken place if the app has not quit?

What you are "considering" is something that happens *after* you press the
red button... not before. It does not help with bettering predictability.

I for one do not need to be told what I can plainly see Snit, why are you
advocating such duplication of user alerts?

You cannot see what has not yet happened.

....
exactly what
is not the point but to have a dialog that tells you *after* you press the
red button does not solve the problem well at all and is not a part of what
*I* have suggested.

As there is already a clear indication whether an app has quit after a
window has been closed Snit .... there simply is no problem to solve!

I am talking about knowing *before* you press the button.
You are talking about knowing *after* you press the button.

The words "before" and "after" are not synonymous.

Of course, for the unobservant or inexperienced or simply not-too-bright
user they do not even know some programs quit and some do not...

I will for the moment assume that all the people that you list above have
sight and can at least read Snit therefore can avail themselves of the
indicators that are at present built into OS X.

And yet Steve Carroll knew of only one such program.

or can only think of one application.

As an example only one is needed!

As an example? Again you are going off topic.

Oh - in case you miss it, yeah, I am mocking Steve's ignorance with that last
statement.

Which is an indictment of you rather than he Snit!

Gee, your opinion on that will eat me up... especially so soon after you and
Steve Carroll and Tim Adams and Alan Baker and Steve Mackay and Tim Adams
have all been absolutely proved to lie to defend each other.

Poor abused Stevie.. he is just
such a nice guy for me to pick on, eh?

Eh? Indeed!




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