Re: Steve Carroll does not know the difference between saving and quitting.

In article <C438BD64.B5A3C%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-A596D3.11034526042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 10:03
AM:

In article <C438A947.B5A0F%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-37D93B.10312826042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 9:31
AM:

In article <C4389B17.B59FD%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-8F532E.09305326042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 8:30
AM:

There is *no* visual indicator to say if closing the window will also
quit
the application. None.

Other than an alert that pops up in a properly designed app, you mean?

There is no alert that pops up to tell you the program will quit...
there
is
an dialog to give you a chance to save your document if needed.

LOL! Hire a reading tutor;) In a "properly designed app" there is such
an alert. What's even funnier here is that you obviously aren't aware
that "An alert is a dialog" ... and the dialog you just referenced is
what Apple calls the "Save Changes alert" as shown in Figure 14-46 here:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIG
uidelines/XHIGWindows/chapter_18_section_7.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000
961-BACJGAAI

Hint: That you can also "Save Changes" to your doc doesn't make the
dialog have non alert status... it "is" an alert... which is why Apple
references it as "The Save Changes alert". Oops!


You really have no clue with the discussion is about... it is very, very
clear.

Said the computer teacher who just proved beyond any reasonable doubt he
didn't know that an alert "is" a type of dialog.

Just so you know: Apple *does* have an indicator to tell you if your
document has not been saved: the dark dot in the red circle. Now you
know!

I was already aware of that... I knew my example would confuse you;)


(cue up Snit's bogus, face saving attempt at spin)

Again, Steve: the question is not about a dialog that tells you to save
work... the question is about a dialog that tells you the program will
*quit*.

Snit, after realizing that he didn't know an alert "is" a dialog, now
attempts to toss out his usual smokescreen;)

Fact: I used the example I did to try to teach you that, contrary to
your obviously mistaken belief, "An alert is a dialog".

On an app that will close on the last open window an application modal
alert is available... had you read (and comprehended) the text on the
page I linked to you'd have seen it:

--begin quote from Apple's site--
Quitting an Application That Is Not Document-Based

When a user attempts to quit an application that is not document-based
but that has many windows whose contents are saved simultaneously,
present an application-modal Save Changes alert, such as the one shown
in Figure 14-59.
--end quote--

Poor Snit needs to be handheld all along the way;)

What is sad is I have repeatedly told you this and you *still* cannot
understand. You are, as ever, completely unable to understand what you
read.

LOL!


One:

Snit is whining about how there is no visual indication for something
that will be immediately clear to the user after having done it *once*.
Notably, there is no visual indicator for anything else in the way of
OSX window widgets for the new user as to exactly what will happen.

Two:

Snit focuses on personalities when his argument is rejected:

"Are you getting pissed because I disagree with? If so that shows a
weakness in your character".

Three:

Snit doesn't know that "An alert is a dialog":

"There is no alert that pops up to tell you the program will quit...
there is an dialog to give you a chance to save your document if needed".

--
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much
just throw it away". - Snit
.

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