Re: Steve Carroll does not know the difference between saving and quitting.

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-A596D3.11034526042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 10:03
AM:

In article <C438A947.B5A0F%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-37D93B.10312826042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 9:31 AM:

In article <C4389B17.B59FD%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-8F532E.09305326042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/26/08 8:30
AM:

There is *no* visual indicator to say if closing the window will also
quit
the application. None.

Other than an alert that pops up in a properly designed app, you mean?

There is no alert that pops up to tell you the program will quit... there
is
an dialog to give you a chance to save your document if needed.

LOL! Hire a reading tutor;) In a "properly designed app" there is such
an alert. What's even funnier here is that you obviously aren't aware
that "An alert is a dialog" ... and the dialog you just referenced is
what Apple calls the "Save Changes alert" as shown in Figure 14-46 here:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIG
uidelines/XHIGWindows/chapter_18_section_7.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000
961-BACJGAAI

Hint: That you can also "Save Changes" to your doc doesn't make the
dialog have non alert status... it "is" an alert... which is why Apple
references it as "The Save Changes alert". Oops!


You really have no clue with the discussion is about... it is very, very
clear.

Said the computer teacher who just proved beyond any reasonable doubt he
didn't know that an alert "is" a type of dialog.

Just so you know: Apple *does* have an indicator to tell you if your
document has not been saved: the dark dot in the red circle. Now you
know!

I was already aware of that... I knew my example would confuse you;)


(cue up Snit's bogus, face saving attempt at spin)

Again, Steve: the question is not about a dialog that tells you to save
work... the question is about a dialog that tells you the program will
*quit*.

Snit, after realizing that he didn't know an alert "is" a dialog, now
attempts to toss out his usual smokescreen;)

Fact: I used the example I did to try to teach you that, contrary to
your obviously mistaken belief, "An alert is a dialog".

On an app that will close on the last open window an application modal
alert is available... had you read (and comprehended) the text on the
page I linked to you'd have seen it:

--begin quote from Apple's site--
Quitting an Application That Is Not Document-Based

When a user attempts to quit an application that is not document-based
but that has many windows whose contents are saved simultaneously,
present an application-modal Save Changes alert, such as the one shown
in Figure 14-59.
--end quote--

Poor Snit needs to be handheld all along the way;)

What is sad is I have repeatedly told you this and you *still* cannot
understand. You are, as ever, completely unable to understand what you
read.

LOL!


One: you had no idea how common the behavior in question is [apps closing
when the last window is closed].

Two: now that you have been told how common it is you keep confusing the
idea of an indicator to tell you the program will *quit* vs. the dialog
giving you the option to save a file. You simply are lost.

Three: in reaction to those two indisputable facts you repeatedly lie about
me, spew accusations, and try to change the topic.

Oh, and their are many ways to alert a user of something other than a dialog
box.

Face it, Steve, you have - again - shoved your foot deep down your throat.



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