Re: Yep, some more actual Mac advocacy (This is comp.sys.mac.advocacy, after all)

"Hasta La Vista" <noem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"George Graves" <gmgrav...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hasta La Vista wrote:
"George Graves" <gmgrav...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
Hasta La Vista wrote:
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In my case I found Apple's prices to be double for what I paid for my
PC, for less hardware than I got.

IOW, more of less.

Please explain how 2 GB of RAM instead of 1 GB of RAM is "more of less."
Continue on from there for a faster 500 GB HD instead of Apple's slower 120
GB HD.


The analogy compared ~10lbs of beef (50 McDonald's cheeseburgers) to
~10oz of beef (Ruth Chris). If all that you're measuring is calories,
the McD's wins, but if you're comparing other factors (such as the
holistic culinary experience of a single meal, where its impossible to
eat 50 burgers in a single sitting), not necessarily so.


After you cover those two we can discuss the other computer parts that the
Mac has half of for twice the price.

Such as total package size, which is the mini's strength. What does
the price of the HP go to when that performance parameter is
*matched*? Its not a question of it is important to *you*, but
merely matching the products' salient characteristics that *someone*
may care about.


I got two good steaks from Ruth's Chris for $25 instead of half a steak
for $50 from Apple.

Nope Rith's Chris doesn't sell two steaks for $25.

You retreated from your own analogy into literalism.

You've obviously not eaten at Ruth Chris <g> ... nor understood the
analogy.


No, I got more of the same or better hardware for half of Apple's price..
Nobody here has given a reason why I should pay so much more to have OSX
instead of Windows.

The hardware doesn't matter any more

Yes it does.

Even when a major differentiating factor has become the OS?

When Apple has successfully "demanded" and gotten more for their
products - - with market penetration of laptops of particular note -
- when in many cases they're running on the same (or older!) Intel
architecture, if its not the hardware or trendy cachet, the only thing
left to differentiate is the OS.


(or so you Winscum keep trying to tell
us

Stop calling me Winscum, unless you'd like me to find some choice names to
call you in return.

Such as a "Michael Glasser"? :-)


- as if you can have it both ways). People have given you reasons why they
are willing to pay a bit more to run OSX,

No they haven't, least of all you.

I'm willing to pay more to run OS X in lieu of Windows, because my
firsthand experience is that there's a significant-enough-for-me
difference in system maintenance and headaches to be worth it. FYI,
I'm also not willing to pay anything more for a 'LightScribe' CD/DVD
burner, as the feature reportedly has shelf life issues.


How many times am I going to have to repeat that I got
the same damn hardware, except more of it, for half
what Apple charges?

Besides the fact that you actually didn't get the same?

What you got was a pile of hardware that roughly approximates one of
the Apple products, but with differences that are not **** personally
**** important to you. Just because something's not important to you
doesn't make it not important for everyone.



There are lots of companies making premium products
whose market share is tiny when viewed against the mainstream, but
Bentley, Rolls Royce, Breitling... do very well in their respective
niches, thank you.

What has that got to do with Apple?   They only sell PCs like you can
buy from any other PC maker, except they charge you more for less.

That's why you do not understand the Mac market and you never will.
Calling a Macintosh "just a PC" is like calling a Brietling "just a watch".

I never called a Macintosh "just a PC."

"They only sell PCs like you can buy from any other PC maker"
Looks like "just a PC" to me.

You interupted the context below.

And above, you ignored the OS as a product differentiator.

All the hardware in the Mac is the same as in any other PC.

Yet buying Mac hardware is the price of admission for using OS X..

Now if you want to claim that Apple is ripping off consumers by only
making OS X legally available to Mac hardware, you have a long uphill
battle that you will lose, as this is a continuation of a centuries-
old precedence in IP and product differentiation. You would be
equally unsuccessful going down to your Ford Dealer and telling them
that you've decided to buy a new Mustang, but that you found that the
best Active Stability Management system was the PASM, so you want them
to install it on a new Mustang for you, because the facts are that
Ford doesn't own PASM, nor even have licensing rights.

If you have no interest in running OS X, then you have no reason to
pay anything extra to get it (or have the option). However, that is
still just your **** personal **** choice, and just because
something's not important to you doesn't somehow automatically make it
unimportant for all others.


-hh
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