Re: Yep, some more actual Mac advocacy (This is comp.sys.mac.advocacy, after all)


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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:42:45 +0200, Sandman <mr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Dave Fritzinger
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Interesting article in Business Week.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2008/tc20080410_206
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"The 20-year death grip that Microsoft has held on the core of
computing is finally weakening--pried loose with just two fingers.
With
one finger you press "Control" and with the other you press "right
arrow." Instantly you switch from a Macintosh operating system (OS)
to
a Microsoft Windows OS. Then, with another two-finger press, you
switch back again. So as you edit family pictures, you might use
Mac's
iPhoto. And when you want to access your corporate e-mail, you can
switch back instantly to Microsoft Exchange."

I've been saying for months that Apple is missing a Golden
Opportunity
by not making the fact that any OS can run on Macs the centerpiece
of
an ad campaign. It might not sit well with the Mac Faithful but it
would certainly make a lot of other people take a second look at Mac
HW.

The Get a Mac ads have mentioned this on several occasions.

Its been mentioned in passing but I'm talking about launching a
campaign that has that point as its centerpiece.
Of course it would require Apple ads to actually promote Apple
products instead of taking cheapshots at Microsoft based on
half-truths and outright lies.

If running Windows becomes the center point of Apple's ad campaign, how
will
they convince people to pay more for hardware to run Windows?


You won't convince them. The fact that a Mac CAN run Windows doesn't
mean
that most do. In fact, most don't.

How do you know how many Macs are running Windows?

I know lots of Mac users. There is a such thing as sampling, you know.
After
all, Nielsen ratings work that way.

So the real answer is you have no idea how many Mac users are running
Windows. You live in a world of your own making and you don't look past
it.

No that's YOUR answer, the one you want.

I gave no answer about what I want. I only remarked on what the article said.

Mac users don't want Windows. That's
why They're Mac users and not PC users. Most of us made that decision ages
ago.

The article quoted in this thread disagrees with you.

You pay a bit more for hardware (in some
cases) from Apple to run OSX.

In my case I found Apple's prices to be double for what I paid for my PC,
for less hardware than I got.

So you can buy a PC and get MORE of LESS. Big deal. I can buy 50 Double
Cheeseburgers from MacDonalds or one good steak from Ruth's Chris for $50.
I
don't have to tell you which I consider a better way to spend my $50. More
of
less is never as appealing as less of more.

I bought a PC and got more of what Apple includes, not less, for half of
Apple's price.

No, you got more of less.

No, I got more of the same or better.

I got two good steaks from Ruth's Chris for $25 instead of half a steak for
$50 from Apple.

Nope Rith's Chris doesn't sell two steaks for $25.

You retreated from your own analogy into literalism.

You got more of less
because Windows is less, a lot less!

No, I got more of the same or better hardware for half of Apple's price. Nobody here has given a reason why I should pay so much more to have OSX instead of Windows.

If you want to (or have to) run Windows, buy a
Windows box and skip the Mac.

Most of the world seems to have taken your advice. :-D

And that's just fine. Apple doesn't need for the whole world to buy Macs.
They do just fine where they are. Apple is a premium brand and I suspect
that
they'll stay that way. After all, it works for them.

Why is it you don't tell this to all the people who are saying Mac market
share is going up like a skyrocket?

It is increasing. But it will never be 10% of the world's market and I
sincerely hope that doesn't change.

You want your cult to be limited to only True Believers?

You Winscum

Winscum? You have a name for those damned by your cult?

I have no cult.

Sure you do.

But a Winscum is a Windows lover who comes to this NG to
denigrate the Mac.

When have I either professed love of Windows or denigrated the Mac? Apple doesn't even make Macs any more.

seem to
think only in terms of market share,

In spite of me telling you my choice was guided by how much more I got for
my money? Little of what you say seems to have any real relation to actual
people, places or things.

Your overall tenor belies your words.

IOW, you have no real reason for what you say.

a very narrow view of any market, if you
don't mind me saying so. There are lots of companies making premium
products
whose market share is tiny when viewed against the mainstream, but
Bentley,
Rolls Royce, Breitling, Rolex, Vacuum Tube Logic, Martin Logan, MV Agusta,
Armeria Tucci, E.J. Chutchill, etc., do very well in their respective
niches,
thank you.

What has that got to do with Apple? They only sell PCs like you can buy
from any other PC maker, except they charge you more for less.

That's why you do not understand the Mac market and you never will. Calling a
Macintosh "just a PC" is like calling a Brietling "just a watch".

I never called a Macintosh "just a PC." I called the computers Apple makes now just another PC, like you can buy from any other PC maker.

The fact that one can get MUCH cheaper cars, watches, amplifiers,
speakers, motorcycles, and shotguns, or that some people will say that one
gets more for their money buying cheaper, more mass produced, similar
items
doesn't lessen the appeal of these premium brands to those who value them.

More mass produced? Apple PCs are no less mass produced than any other PC.
It takes more than a premium price to make a premium product.

As I said, like most of the Winscum who post here, you are incapable of
"getting it". You might as well stop trying.

Take your meds, George.

.

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