Re: I'm sure glad I didn't buy a Mac Mini!

In article <2P6dnYyBEqHmIHzanZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Hasta La Vista" <noemail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"C Lund" <clund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:clund-9968EC.09450718032008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It might be an example if it actually were true.
It *is* true. Try googling the topic and you'll find others who
experience the same things. Hey, I'll even google one for you:
It's not true for me,
So what?
So what you said about me is not true. Why does that fail to make
an
impact on you?
It's not any less true
What you claimed about me is untrue and will continue to be untrue no
matter
what else you write. IOW, you've eliminated all possibility that you
made a
mistake and are just an unrepentant liar.
And no, it is not untrue. No amount of squirming will make it untrue.
WTF do you mean by "squirming?"

You know; the usual hagfish routine you do when all else has failed.

Explain how you having a problem sending UTF-8 to someone besides me makes
it true that I'm happy with "usually works, sorta."

I do not have a problem sending UTF-8 to anybody at all. Recipients
stuck with Windows sometimes do, though.

Or you ought to update your software.
Why should I? This is not a problem that affects maccies.
It's only a problem that affects people who use Outlook and who also get
email from you. I begin to see why filters were created! :-D
It's a problem for Windows users who try to deal with UTF-8 charsets.
I've already proved that wrong.

No. You've only proven that the problem did not pop up in *your* case.

Or
just take the easy solution.
I did; that's why I use a mac. B)
Just to make problems for Outlook? :-D
No, MS made those problems.
No, MS isn't making you send UTF-8 from your Mac to people who have trouble
receiving it from you.

Me sending UTF-8 should not be an issue at all. The problem lies in
MS's inability to properly handle UTF-8 charsets.

Or maybe you don't exchange much data with
continental europeans.
I don't, but it works for me nonetheless. On more than one system.
Then how do you know it works for you?
Because it works when I do use it.
Or so you say, edwin. But your word means little.
You have no power to diminish my words.

I have no need to do so either; you've done that all by yourself.

I proved it works for me, too.

In that one specific case. It sometimes works for the Outlook users
who receive my emails too - but not always.

You didn't find a problem with Windows, you found a problem with
Outlook,
which is merely an application running on Windows.
I know you read G Graves post on the topic. This is more than
Outlook.
No, it's just Outlook. George was trying to have an old version of
Word
recognize formatting commands from a new version of Word.
Why would that make any difference?
The people who wrote the program couldn't look into the future to see how
the document formatting commands would change.
And yet the folks at Apple are able to write apps that can handle old
files.
So what? This is about OLD PROGRAMS handling NEW FILES.

Outlook is old? Word is old?

the Outlook users who sometimes get scrambled characters in
emails from maccies are not using old versions of Outlook.
Which has nothing to do with George's problem. It has to do with getting
UTF-8 from a Mac user.

No, it has to do with MS making sloppy software.

Let's call them MS problems instead.
No, let's not call them anything but what they are.
What they are are MS problems. MS simply isn't competent.
You havn't shown anything like that to be the case. Since the problem is
UTF-8 going from your Mac to Windows users, the fault could just as easily
be Apple's.

No, it is not. The problem appears on Windows, not OS X.

You seemed to have ignored that your reference gave you an easy way
around
your problem, namely to use ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF - 8.
You shouldn't have to use a workaround *at all*. On the mac, this
kind
of stuff Just Works?. No workaround necessary.
No workaround is necessary if you switch to using ISO- 8859 -1 to
begin
with, instead of looking for a way to convert from UTF - 8 afterwards.
So now you're saying that the maccie who sends the file has to adjust
his/her output so MS's faulty software can read it?
No, just choose a different character set, if your readers are having a
problem with your messages.
Why should I have to compensate for MS's sloppy programming?
Nobody asked you do do that.

You did. If I have to change my settings so a Windows user does not
suffer from MS's sloppy programming, then I am the one doing the
compensation.

It was suggested that you show some
consideration for those who receive your messages, seeing how it is so easy
to do.

IOW you're telling me to compensate for MS's sloppiness.

If my
readers don't have a competent email client, then maybe they should
get one that is.
Or they ought to just filter out your messages.

That would cause a huge problem for the people involved and none for
me.

The MS software I'm using has no problem with reading UTF-8.
Or so you say, edwin.
Would you care to explain how I echoed your characters back to you without
being able to receive them?

Sure; the problem isn't consistent and you got lucky. The Outlook
users who receive my emails don't always end up with garbled
characters. But every now and then they do. I suspect it happens when
the message they receive contains a combination of UTF-8 and
ISO-(whatever).

Let's try it again: æøå.

It means YOU have a problem with YOUR messages, and YOU ought to change
your
character set instead of trying to convince the people who get your
emails
to change their computers.
Nope. It means you got lucky.
No, it means those other people were unlucky to be getting email from you.

Or that they were foolish enough to use an inferior OS...

Keep digging that hole. ;)
You're the one holding the shovel, not me.
edwin, you were born with a shovel in your hand.
WTF?

Think about it, edwin.

--
C Lund, folk.uio.no/clund/
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