Re: I'm sure glad I didn't buy a Mac Mini!

In article <OP2dne-ea_9a1UDanZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Hasta La Vista" <noemail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"C Lund" <clund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:clund-67C042.12094216032008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yep. Reason? OSX.
How is that a reason to pay so much more for a computer?
Because you want to *use* your computer.
How is it you're exchanging messages with me if OSX is required
to
*use*
a computer?
Because you're happy with "usually works, sorta".
No I'm not.
An example of "usually works, sorta" is when I send an email to
somebody using Outlook. If that email contains european characters,
such as æ, ø, or å, there's a pretty good chance that Outlook will
replace them with chinese characters. This is because of MS's crappy
implementation of UTF-8. I think this might also be a problem with
Word.
It might be an example if it actually were true.
It *is* true. Try googling the topic and you'll find others who
experience the same things. Hey, I'll even google one for you:
It's not true for me,
So what?
So what you said about me is not true. Why does that fail to make an
impact on you?

It's not any less true just because you're lucky enough to not be
affected by this particular bug. You have no guarantee that this won't
affect you in the future.

You've just been lucky.
Or you've just been unlucky.

Me? No. I'm not using Windows. I'm not affected by this at all.

Or you ought to update your software.

Why should I? This is not a problem that affects maccies.

Or
just take the easy solution.

I did; that's why I use a mac. B)

Or maybe you don't exchange much data with
continental europeans.
I don't, but it works for me nonetheless. On more than one system.

Then how do you know it works for you?

I have no trouble seeing
your æ, ø or å as they should be, and I can easily type them back to
you.
Good for you. There are people I email regularly who do have the
problem I described. Just because you are lucky enough to have a
Windows system that can handle these letters doesn't mean that
everybody does. It just means that Windows isn't consistent.
You didn't find a problem with Windows, you found a problem with Outlook,
which is merely an application running on Windows.
I know you read G Graves post on the topic. This is more than Outlook.
No, it's just Outlook. George was trying to have an old version of Word
recognize formatting commands from a new version of Word.

Why would that make any difference? The current version of Pages can
read documents written by ClarisWorks (which is an outdated,
discontinued app from the early 90s). Why can't new versions of Word
read docs made by old versions of Word?

Sounds like yet another example of "usually works, sorta" to me.

Oh, and that wasn't what Graves was talking about anyway.

Now, one could discuss whether the problem lies with Windows or in all
MS software that runs on Windows (or maybe just some of it),
We already know that the problems you and George brought up are application
problems, not Windows problems.

Let's call them MS problems instead. And the fact that this particular
problem appears in more than one MS app indicates that it might be a
problem in the OS instead.

In George's case it's a user error of
expecting an old version to understand the output of a new version.

Why would you expect any less? Oh yeah; "usually works, sorta".

but
you're still stuck with "usually works, sorta".
I've already proved I'm not "stuck" with that at all.

Actually, you just did - when you stated that expecting a new version
of an app to be able to read a file made by an older version was a
"user error".

You seemed to have ignored that your reference gave you an easy way
around
your problem, namely to use ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF - 8.
You shouldn't have to use a workaround *at all*. On the mac, this kind
of stuff Just Works?. No workaround necessary.
No workaround is necessary if you switch to using ISO- 8859 -1 to begin
with, instead of looking for a way to convert from UTF - 8 afterwards.

So now you're saying that the maccie who sends the file has to adjust
his/her output so MS's faulty software can read it?

Besides, "using ISO" when the document you're looking at is UTF-8
involves stuff like this:
[program listing snipped]
This might look like an "easy way around" to somebody using Windows,
but to us maccies, this is an unacceptable kludge.

If I had the problem you're talking about, I would have used the easy
solution that you're ignoring, namely to send my documents out in ISO-
8859 -1 instead having the recipient convert it from UTF - 8 to ISO-
8859 -1.

But that still means having to work your way around MS's faulty
software that "usually works, sorta". In other words, you're happy
with "usually works, sorta".

Keep digging that hole. ;)

--
C Lund, folk.uio.no/clund/
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