Re: I'm sure glad I didn't buy a Mac Mini!


"C Lund" <clund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:clund-67C042.12094216032008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In article <0NadncnNtZqIZkbanZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Hasta La Vista" <noemail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"C Lund" <clund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > Yep. Reason? OSX.
>> >> >> >> How is that a reason to pay so much more for a computer?
>> >> >> > Because you want to *use* your computer.
>> >> >> How is it you're exchanging messages with me if OSX is required >> >> >> to
>> >> >> *use*
>> >> >> a computer?
>> >> > Because you're happy with "usually works, sorta".
>> >> No I'm not.
>> > An example of "usually works, sorta" is when I send an email to
>> > somebody using Outlook. If that email contains european characters,
>> > such as æ, ø, or å, there's a pretty good chance that Outlook will
>> > replace them with chinese characters. This is because of MS's crappy
>> > implementation of UTF-8. I think this might also be a problem with
>> > Word.
>> It might be an example if it actually were true.
> It *is* true. Try googling the topic and you'll find others who
> experience the same things. Hey, I'll even google one for you:
It's not true for me,

So what?

So what you said about me is not true. Why does that fail to make an impact on you?

That does not change the fact that it "usually works, sorta".

Yes it does.

You've just been lucky.

Or you've just been unlucky. Or you ought to update your software. Or just take the easy solution.

Or maybe you don't exchange much data with
continental europeans.

I don't, but it works for me nonetheless. On more than one system.

and I'm the one you claimed was happy with "usually
works, sorta," not some other person you found via Google.

You claimed it wasn't true at all and I provided a counterexample.

You made a statement about me that is not true, and you didn't provide any counterexample that proved it true.

>> I have no trouble seeing
>> your æ, ø or å as they should be, and I can easily type them back to >> you.
> Good for you. There are people I email regularly who do have the
> problem I described. Just because you are lucky enough to have a
> Windows system that can handle these letters doesn't mean that
> everybody does. It just means that Windows isn't consistent.
You didn't find a problem with Windows, you found a problem with Outlook,
which is merely an application running on Windows.

I know you read G Graves post on the topic. This is more than Outlook.

No, it's just Outlook. George was trying to have an old version of Word recognize formatting commands from a new version of Word.

Now, one could discuss whether the problem lies with Windows or in all
MS software that runs on Windows (or maybe just some of it),

We already know that the problems you and George brought up are application problems, not Windows problems. In George's case it's a user error of expecting an old version to understand the output of a new version.

but
you're still stuck with "usually works, sorta".

I've already proved I'm not "stuck" with that at all.

You seemed to have ignored that your reference gave you an easy way around
your problem, namely to use ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF - 8.

You shouldn't have to use a workaround *at all*. On the mac, this kind
of stuff Just Works?. No workaround necessary.

No workaround is necessary if you switch to using ISO- 8859 -1 to begin with, instead of looking for a way to convert from UTF - 8 afterwards.

Besides, "using ISO" when the document you're looking at is UTF-8
involves stuff like this:

[program listing snipped]


This might look like an "easy way around" to somebody using Windows,
but to us maccies, this is an unacceptable kludge.

If I had the problem you're talking about, I would have used the easy solution that you're ignoring, namely to send my documents out in ISO- 8859 -1 instead having the recipient convert it from UTF - 8 to ISO- 8859 -1.

.

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