Re: Iowqa School to get Laptops

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:20:35 -0000, Rick <none@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:00:22 +0000, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:42:36 -0000, Rick <none@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:39:30 -0700, Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:08 pm, Snit <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@xxxxxxxxx> stated in post
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3/14/08 4:52 PM:



On Mar 14, 6:28 pm, Snit <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@xxxxxxxxx> stated in post
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on 3/14/08 3:18 PM:

On Mar 14, 11:56 am, Jim <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/16665216.html

"Central City Sets Laptop Standards
By: Claire Kellett, Anchor/Reporter

Story Created: Mar 14, 2008

Story Updated: Mar 14, 2008
CENTRAL CITY - Soon students in the Central City School District
won't have to worry about whether or not they'll have a computer
to use. Starting this fall, students there will have their very
own laptops.

Computer time is hard to come by for Central City students.
Finding a free keyboard during class time can be a challenge.

³You have to claim your territory,² says Sophomore Kolin
Schmidt.

Claim a computer before someone else steps in. This fall,
friendly fights over tech time will fade. The district is making
a hefty purchase.

³A total of about 380 computers,² says Superintendent John
Dotson.

Meaning classrooms will be littered with laptops. All students
in fifth through twelfth grades and their teachers will have
their own portable computers for use at school and at home."

More....

More taxpayers dollars wasted on the lasted educational fad that
has zero evidence to support that it does anything to improve
education, you mean.
The taxpayers of Iowqa should demand a recall election of these
fiscally irresponsible fadmongers.

Technology is a ... fad? LOL! That is darn funny...

Unable to comprehend what he read, Snit makes a gaffe by commenting
on something that was not said.

Technology in society is not a fad.

Snit runs to KMart to buy himself a strawman.

Technology in education is not a fad...

Snit will now produce evidence that using computers in education has
done anything objectively measurable to improve it.

in fact, to fail to teach technology would be a *huge* mistake.

When I was I grade school they used to have lessons on how to use the
telephone. Why? Because even then not everyone had them and they were
new to a lot of people. Do they still do that? No. Why? Because
everyone who wants one has a phone of some kind and kids learn to use
them at home practically in their cribs. For much the same reason
teaching computer use in schools is not necessary.

When you have spent a couple of years, full time, in classrooms your
words might be credible. Now they are aren't.

Rick will now produce the objectively measured evidence that shows
giving every grade schooler a laptop improves education. Until you can
your words lack credibility.

When you have spent a couple of years, full time, in classrooms your
words might be credible. Now they are aren't.

Unable to counter my point with actual facts, Rick resorts
misdirection.




Some students know computers inside and out. Others know only what has
interested them.

You can say the same for every subject.

No duh.

You're the one who tried to make it sound unique to computers.


In my high school they had auto
repair courses. Since some kids know cars inside and out and others only
know what interests them the state should give every kid a new car by
your logic.

... and your full time teaching experience supports this how?

Why do I need any teaching experience to follow the logic you present
in here?

Oh that's right, you don;t have any.

Just like you have no proof to back up your assertions.

I will have to go to the auto lab next to my classroom and talk to the instructor.

Its nice that you have someone to chat with but that really has
nothing to do with the fact that by following your logic on computers
in school we should give every kid a new car as well.

Oh, that's right, I don't have to.

I'm sure he'll be grateful if you don't.

I talk to him several times a week... IN his lab. Your above statement
shows your utter lack of classroom knowledge.

Since my above statement was based on the logic you expressed and had
nothing to do with classroom knowledge your statement is a
non-sequitur.




There are classes on keyboarding because a large number of students
cannot properly touch type. There are classes on word processing,
spreadsheets and databases, because students need to use those in school
and when they get out into the world.

Obviously classes that require computers should have computers in the
classroom. However, outfitting a couple of classrooms is nowhere near
the expense of giving each kid a laptop.

That depends on how many classrooms need computers.

It won't be many. Not many kids sign up for classes like that.

It might just make
more economical sense to provide the computers to the students, and htye
carry them from class to class.

I doubt if anything like those numbers are in those classes.




Students need to be taught how to properly use search engines to do
school related research.

Kids learn how to use search engines in their cribs.

You show your utter lack of classroom knowledge. As a group, they DO DOT
learn how to use search engines in their cribs. I deal with that every
day.

As a group they do nothing. Learning is an individual endeavor. The
kids who do not learn how to use a search engine on their own aren't
going to learn it in a class either. This is because they are
incredibly stupid.


Students can use the Internet to research needed in history, math and
science.

And they can also use the library that each school has. Or do you think
there's been some update on the fall of Byzantium that isn't in the
history books?

School libraries are not very large, and they certainly cannot compare
with the resources on the Net.

Like Maccies love to say about Mac software availability - You don't
need every possible title do do useful work. All you need is enough.



There are students that do very well with CAI lessons.

There are students who do very well with personal tutors too. That
doesn't mean the taxpayers should be obligated to give every kid one.

Note: no response.


While those students are using the computers, teachers can be working
with other students.

While some students are doing almost anything the teacher can work with
other students? Or do you really think that teachers were unable to give
the slow kids extra attention before computers?

"Back in the day", "slow" kids weren't mainstreamed as often as today.

Yes saddling the normal kids with the retards was a huge mistake. But
that's not an issue that can be solved by technology. And I was
actually thinking of the kids that can learn but need a bit of extra
help not the retards.

CAI allows for more enrichment lessons, and more lesson of varied types.

It allows the teacher to use the computer as a babysitter.



Teachers can easily change lesson plans and provide students with better
course handouts.

Yeah teachers spending a couple of hours redesigning their lesson plans
and handouts in a page layout program makes them so much better than the
notes they used to use.

Actually, yes, they are.

Funny how things have gone straight to Hell in education since that
stated then, isn't it?

They are more easily produced and changed. They
are more easily read.
They are more easily reproduced.

Becaue hitting 'Copy' on a Xerox machine is so difficult.

I know this
because I've done it. And teachers spend a hell of a lot more time than a
couple of hours creating lesson plans.

And most of that is in the planning part not the typing part.




After using computers in schools for 20 years there's no evidence -
ZERO - that they do anything to improve education.

It seems, by your standards then, there is no evidence anything improves
education.

Actually there's plenty of evidence that back to the basics things
improve education. Phonics smokes Whole Language for example.

So you say. Maybe that's because you want Phonics to smoke Whole
language, so you find those particular studies.

Right after you provide that objectively measured evidence that giving
evert grade schooler a laptop improves education.




Widespread insistence on
using something despite its total lack of efficacy is the hallmark of
a fad.

Go get some experience, then spout off.

Get some actual proof then get back to me.

Go get some experience, then spout off. Go teach school full time for a
few years. Then get back to me.

You just don't want computers used in education. face it.

Unable to provide any actual evidence that giving every grade schooler
a laptop improves education, Rick lashes out like an angry child.




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