Re: OT: WTF is a "Super Delegate"

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-114377.22561109032008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 3/9/08 9:56 PM:

In article <C3F9F5DC.AD37B%usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@xxxxxx> stated in post
trollkiller-FBE740.20580909032008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 3/9/08 7:58 PM:

In article <7f1Bj.5016$by3.1779@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Tim Murray <no-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:30:26 -0400, Steve Carroll wrote:
You figure this backs your claim?


Which one?

That the states "grant" voting "rights".

Do you deny that even before women were allowed to vote across the US that
some states granted them that right?

The very question proves that you're braindead on this issue.

LOL. I accept your white flag.

I am guessing that is taught sometime around 5th grade... though we can
check. :)


Here's what you should have learned in 5th grade, but obviously didn't...

Rights are completely different than entitlements, privileges, etc. A
true right is something you have... no person or governing body can
grant or give it to you... which is why proper use of the terms are seen
the way they are in legal instruments.

"To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just Powers from the consent of the governed."

It's "the governed" who do the 'granting'... to the gov't. are given
"Just Powers" (not "rights"). The gov't doesn't "grant" rights to the
people. If you find a legal instrument that says otherwise this doesn't
change a single thing with respect to the purity of this argument as
this is the nature of gov't., to overstep its bounds. You can choose not
to believe in this argument (an argument which founded this country) but
this means that you choose to believe in gov't whereby it is possible to
enslave people. There is no 3rd choice. IMO people like you are living
proof that we're getting exactly the type of gov't we deserve.

As has been shown, Steve, even when you play your idiotic word games and
insist that the word "grant" be used your BS is ripped apart.

Completely and fully. And, of course, this is just a smoke screen from you
to hide you other error I pointed out:

1) Tim notes he does not know if any states use the word "grant" in their
Constitution (in relation to voting rights) nor does he know if they
rights are granted by the Constitution or some other mechanism.

2) Carroll shows he cannot understand a word of that and says Tim can
prove his point that it is the states who grant such powers by showing
a relevant use of the word "grant" in a state constitution.

But now you are back to insisting the word used must be "grant".

<http://soswy.state.wy.us/informat/const.pdf>
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The woman in the center holds a banner proclaiming "Equal
Rights," as Wyoming was the first government in the world
to grant equal civil and political rights to women.
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Yeah, yeah - I know... the official site of the Wyoming Secretary of State
is not good reliable enough information for you.

How about this: <http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/ppmsca/03000//03000v.jpg>
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AN ACT TO GRANT TO THE WOMEN OF WYOMING TERRITORY
THE RIGHT OF SUFFRAGE AND TO HOLD OFFICE
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What game shall you use to run away from that? Oh Steve... you are amusing
when you are pretending you think you are right. :)

How long until you just snip and run?

--
Teachers open the door but you must walk through it yourself.

.

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