Re: "Cult of the Wintel PC" raises head at AWC's switch to Macs

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ed <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mar 6, 9:31 pm, Jim <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article
<04de0c5e-3f80-4381-b3f4-6a372daf7...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 ed <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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I misspoke about the Java, but I am right on licensing. When finished,
there will be no licensing to M$, when the SQL servers are replaced and
all the clients are Macs running the native VIPS app.

No licensing fees to M$ as they outlined, and on a yearly basis, is a
BIG DEAL and will save a bundle.

which, FOR THE LAST TIME, is the case REGARDLESS of the CLIENT.  it's
what you're runnning on the SERVER that determines whether you have to
pay for CALs.

And that's what they're removing...the need to license all the M$ fees
by first getting rid of Windows by rewriting the VIPS app

holy sh!t jim, really for the last time this time, but i can't believe
you're still not getting it- whether you're on windows or not does not
remove the need for client access licenses. client access licenses
allow you to connect the server, regardless of what the client is, so
rewriting the vips app by itself does not remove the need for a cal.
changing out the server does- even if you remain on windows on the
server. which is what i've been saying all along.

Not accordint to M$ as I read it.

"A SQL Server CAL is required for a device (for example, a personal
computer, workstation, terminal, personal digital assistant, or mobile
phone) to access or use the services or functionality of either edition
of SQL Server."

Which is what AWC appears to be claiming as well.


and second
moving to xServes when the current hardware the SQL is running on is
changed out. Then they have no licensing fees to pay over what ever life
cycle (read years here) is for them.

THIS part is correct, and is consistent with what i've been saying all
along- changing the server software removes the need for the
licenses. but ms sql is the ONE piece that they say they are
KEEPING. you REALLY didn't read the article very well, did you?

I went to M$ page on SQL server along with reading the article. M$ does
like money, a lot of it.

There are other M$ server costs as well,

" AWC has also finished migrating from Microsoft's Active Directory to
Apple's Open Directory for controlling the network. This is especially
significant, Frantz says, because the controlling operating system
architecture determines licensing costs.

"By getting off of Microsoft Active Directory and onto Open Directory,
each individual server becomes separate and Microsoft can no longer view
[and charge for] a broad enterprise network. This was a very significant
change," Frantz says. "


Did you read the article?


holy crap jim, you are seriously dumb.  i didn't claim to be any kind
of expert, i didn't insinuate it, and i didn't imply it.  it was
brought up, in context, to show that i obviously don't have a hate of
apple/macs as you imagine i do.

I didn't say you hate of Apple/Macs at all.

no, that was a bit of hyperbole (but not much)- you did say i DISLIKE
apple/macs, which is also very much not true.

You just love M$ more,
that's all and are one of their cultists.

no jim, you only think that because YOU are an apple cultist, and a ms
hater, as evidenced by you using 'm$' :P . i simply think they're
both companies out to make a buck, neither one is any better than the
other, and their products both have their pluses and minuses.

I'm a Mac "cultist" though I have Macs, Windows and a Solaris box and
recommend the task-driven solution for my clients not a Mac Centeric one
which only goes to show that you don't know squat about what I recommend
for what situation.

The task defines the software and together they define the hardware. If
it runs on all hardware, then you have other factors to look at.

All in all, at least in this case, I'm sure the article didn't enumerate
all the costs so we don't quite know what's going into that $1.82M
savings. For one, they spoke of a 3 year hardware cycle. Macs in
schools, where they typically get beat on worse than in a corporation,
have a mostly 5 year life cycle with KB,M or HD repairs so they may save
money there with a lengthened hardware cycle for one.

AS they move forward they anticipate further savings as well as more is
migrated over to Apple both in clients and servers.

Regardless, you don't think they're going to save money. Time will tell,
that old proof in the pudding thing don't you think?

I'm sure we'll hear more as time passes.

--
Jim
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