Re: HD-DVD - The Final Death Blow

In article <mr-8B4071.20451428022008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sandman <mr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article
<alangbaker-AD379E.08512128022008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I never talked about HD-DVD or Bluray. I correctly stated that one
shouldn't take George's word on HD quality, since his TV won't even
accept full HD, and he can't see the difference between 1080i and
1080p, where 1080p has twice the fidelity of 1080i.

Sorry, Jonas, but that's where this whole thread started. Just look at
the subject.

No need to be sorry. Look at my first post, and how it didn't concern
HD-DVD or Bluray at all.

<mr-9F840D.03535019022008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Surely you're not insisting that what I meant can be determined not by
what I say I meant but only looking at the thread title?

You were discussing George's ability to discern the difference in
quality between HD-DVD and Blu-ray.


George then, foolishly, tried to claim that 1080i does not contain
half of the data of 1080p, which of course is wrong, further
showcasing his ignorance of the difference between an interlaced and a
progressive format.

No, it was quite correct. Just as if one were to say 480i vs 480p
without any other qualifiers, one would assume the speeds that are
currently in use for video.

If you were to say such a thing, I would not make any assumptions at
all and ask you to clarify if you meant 480p60 and 480i60, in which
case you would be correct.

You said such a thing.


That is, unless I was ignorant about 1080p60 and 1080i60, which George
was. And you, apparently, you've now learned that 1080i60 means 60
fields per second.

The discussion didn't start about 60.


The interval was assumed in light of the argument. George didn't
respond by saying "Yes, but only if you compare 1080p60 to 1080i60",
as many other posters understood (Steve, ZnU, Lewis and so on) since
George did not know that 1080i60 contains half as much data as 1080p60.

No. It was not assumed to be what you claimed it to be.

...by people ignorant about interlaced vs. progressive. Which is fine
by me. You may have noted that several people assumed this was the
case all along.

Problem is that you want your assumption to be the limits of my claim.
The fact that my claim is 100% correct if one goes outside yours (and
Georges) assumption should tell you something.

No. I want your claim to be the limits of your claim.

George specifically placed his claim in the same context as 480p/480i:

"There is no more information is a 1080p picture than there is in a
1080i picture any more than there is more information in a 480p picture
than there is in a 480i picture."


Remember?

That was in response to your post that specifically placed your
statements in the context of Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD:

"I don't see how I can be any clearer - you need a HD tv in order to
make any comments about HD material. You don't have a true HD TV and as
such you shouldn't make any comments on HD material. It's like
complaining about DVD if you're watching it on a 3" CRT TV. "

That's you claiming he can't tell the difference between 1080i vs 1080p
for HD material as it exists *today*.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
.

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