Re: Definition of insanity
- From: Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:20:43 -0700
"-hh" <recscuba_google@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
4224448a-cb30-4342-b116-07996bc88003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 2/25/08
11:41 AM:
Then by your "logic", a median is an average and an average is a
median.
Maybe you are looking for the word "mean"? A median is a different
concept.
Again... this is relatively basic knowledge.
No, I'm not looking for the word "mean".
Then you are wrong: a median and an average are not identical nor
synonymous...
Try reading this citation:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+average>
and note carefully the 10th bullet, which states:
"...median(a): relating to or constituting the middle value of an
ordered set of values (or the average of the middle two in a set with
an even number of values); "the median value of 17, 20, and 36 is 20";
"the median income..."
Yes Snit, a statistical 'Median' is specifically called out as one of
the acceptable definitions of 'Average'. Did you learn something new
today?
And, as far as I
know, the word "average" does not indicate the median but the mean.
Well, you're a bit less ignorant now.
As per the above citation, the published definitions of Average
include one of a Statistical Median (as well as a Statistical Mean),
which means you no longer have the exucse of ignorance for being
factually wrong.
For what it is worth, you are wrong: the concepts of average and median are
not the same.
Sorry, but as per Webster's:
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average>
"1 a: a single value (as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or
represents the general significance of a set of unequal values..."
...you have some serious reconciliating to do.
FYI, if you wish to persevere with your disagreement, please go argue
the point with the CITATIONS I've provided, for I'm merely the
messager.
If you need help understanding why just ask...
The error you're making is not all that uncommon IMO.
The general pattern that I've personally observed is that the error
stems comes a combination of two factors, the first of which is the
colloquial acceptance of the word Average in Statistics classes in
lieu of the proper term of Mean.
What effectively happens next is the second part, which is that the
definition of Average restricts itself to only the statistical
definition of Mean that is being used, with the other accepted
definitions of Average that are used outside of the specialization
area of Statistics being rejected as 'improper'.
While this rejection is appropriate for use in Statistics (but only
partially so, since the correct term to be used actually is Mean),
when the context is NOT Statistics, this rejection attempt is
improper.
The simple reality is that bidirectional symmetry does not uniformly
exist within the English language, which simply brings me back full
circle back to your interpretational insistance that the definition of
'synonymous' is the same as 'identical', 'equality', etc...which is my
basis of disagreement.
FYI, it doesn't matter to me if you then try to apply this criteria to
incest or to hamburgers: they're all invalid beause of your flawed
starting point.
Here, another series of number:
1, 1, 2, 4, 4, 84
The average is 96 / 6 = 16
The median is the average of 2 and 4, which is 3
Median and average are *not* synonymous. "Average" and "mean" are.
When you are looking at the three concepts, as you were, it is asinine to
pretend otherwise... which is what you are doing.
There, now did *you* learn something? :)
And, of course, the concepts in question are the ones below:
> Sex and incest, Wally, are not synonymous
Quite right! exactly as I said, but incest and sex are!
- Wally
incest and sex are synonymous - Wally
I on the other hand have maintained that incest and sex are synonymous!
- Wally
"Yet incest IS synonymous with sex." - Tim Adams
"Incest is synonymous with sex because the definitions clearly
prove it." - Tim Adams
"incest IS synonymous with sex, yet you argue against that
FACT." - Tim Adams
"I linked to an article by you that proved you indeed do believe
incest is synonymous with sex, no matter how many times you say
otherwise." Tim Adams
[Please note, you did no such thing! Adams was lying]
"Incest IS sex by the very definition of the words.
Therefore they ARE identical ..."
- Tim Adams
Especially considering the context, which I have now shared with you, do you
agree with those comments? If yes to some and no to others than which do
you agree with?
It is a perversion to say the two concepts are identical or synonymous...
and hence if you agree with those things it is fair to call you a pervert.
What is sad is that this would even be in question... really.
--
When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
When God changes your mind, that's faith.
When facts change your mind, that's science.
.
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