Re: Definition of insanity

Snit <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"-hh" <recscuba_goo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated:

For (at least) the THIRD time:  my disagreement is in your choice of
definition of "synonymous", because it does not adhere to the
conventional and accepted useage in the English language, as
documented through sources such as:

<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/synonymous>
and:
<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/synonymous.
and:
<http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=synonymous>
and:
<http://www.yourdictionary.com/synonymous>

None of those definitions support the perverted idea that incest and sex are
synonyms of each other.

They're not intended to: their scope is to provide a clear and
concise definition of a single word.

And as I said before, how that word is then applied is not relevant.


 And, of course, you are running from simple questions...

Also factually wrong. I've responded by clearly stating that the
questions you're asking are not relevant. Specifically, they're not
relevant to the proper definition of 'synonymous'.



You keep avoiding these questions.  

A factual error, for I've already stated:

"Incest is an identified subset of sexual activity, so it requires sex
(plus additional constraints)."

Plus I also provided multiple citations in which a sexual component
within Incest was clearly identified, and which you've acknowledged as
being present.


Then by your "logic", a median is an average and an average is a
median.

Maybe you are looking for the word "mean"?  A median is a different concept.
Again... this is relatively basic knowledge.

No, I'm not looking for the word "mean".

Then you are wrong: a median and an average are not identical nor synonymous...

Try reading this citation:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+average>

and note carefully the 10th bullet, which states:

"...median(a): relating to or constituting the middle value of an
ordered set of values (or the average of the middle two in a set with
an even number of values); "the median value of 17, 20, and 36 is 20";
"the median income..."

Yes Snit, a statistical 'Median' is specifically called out as one of
the acceptable definitions of 'Average'. Did you learn something new
today?


And, as far as I
know, the word "average" does not indicate the median but the mean.

Well, you're a bit less ignorant now.

As per the above citation, the published definitions of Average
include one of a Statistical Median (as well as a Statistical Mean),
which means you no longer have the exucse of ignorance for being
factually wrong.


For what it is worth, you are wrong: the concepts of average and median are
not the same.

Sorry, but as per Webster's:

<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average>

"1 a: a single value (as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or
represents the general significance of a set of unequal values..."

...you have some serious reconciliating to do.

FYI, if you wish to persevere with your disagreement, please go argue
the point with the CITATIONS I've provided, for I'm merely the
messager.


If you need help understanding why just ask...

The error you're making is not all that uncommon IMO.

The general pattern that I've personally observed is that the error
stems comes a combination of two factors, the first of which is the
colloquial acceptance of the word Average in Statistics classes in
lieu of the proper term of Mean.

What effectively happens next is the second part, which is that the
definition of Average restricts itself to only the statistical
definition of Mean that is being used, with the other accepted
definitions of Average that are used outside of the specialization
area of Statistics being rejected as 'improper'.

While this rejection is appropriate for use in Statistics (but only
partially so, since the correct term to be used actually is Mean),
when the context is NOT Statistics, this rejection attempt is
improper.

The simple reality is that bidirectional symmetry does not uniformly
exist within the English language, which simply brings me back full
circle back to your interpretational insistance that the definition of
'synonymous' is the same as 'identical', 'equality', etc...which is my
basis of disagreement.

FYI, it doesn't matter to me if you then try to apply this criteria to
incest or to hamburgers: they're all invalid beause of your flawed
starting point.


-hh
.

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