Re: mp3 players in cell phones

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<57ce7807-b136-4318-adfd-0fc3fd780d3a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
ed <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

then what is the relevance of your none-supported, anecdotal statement
above

What are you trying to say, you didn't know that so called "music
phones" are popular?

do i know that music-centric phones make up more than, saaay, 10%
(since that's the number in the study) make up more than 10% of the
user base (that would be what's relevant, right?), or even 10% of the
market share? i absolutely have no freakin' idea. if you have any
DATA to to support a number than may qualatatively described as
'popular,' spit it out.

See below

yet you see more and more people watching video on portable devices...

No I don't. Are you reduced to making things up now, ed?

'you' is being used in a generic sense sandman

Ah, a "non-supported anecdotal statement"? :P

and you're calling me on it, so what i'm going to do is support it :P
- take a look at itunes video sales, the popularity of video ipods,
and the growth in programs to convert video into mobile formats.
circumstantial evidence sure, but evidence none the less (and contrary
to popular belief, circumstantial evidence is fine in courts (in the
US)).

Still non-supported and anecdotal, I'm afraid. If you have any DATA to
support a number that may qualitatively be described as "popular",
then spit it out.

I don't know why you play these games, ed, but I do enjoy them. :)

essential to *you* maybe

No, the web has become essential to lots of people. Not just me.

but "mobile* web?  maybe to *some*, but not generally.

Another "non-supported anecdotal statement"?

nope- this one is easily supported by common sense- if mobile web were
'essential' to most people, most people would have it, as it is widely
available.

I.e. you are claiming that most people do not have it, and you don't
support it. Uhm, just as I said. :P

Exactly my point. You can't watch what you want, and you have a
limited timeframe to watch it so you end up not watching anything.

and yet many people seem to be fine, and enjoy, with watching tv just
like that.

No they don't, as the data just told you.

uh, remember, this paragraph was about regular tv?

No it wasn't. Regular TV isn't limited by a limited timeframe as
mobile TV is.

Never wondered why people isn't sitting with portable *radios* any
more, and have portable music players with their own music instead?

probably because of crappy sound quality and reception- places where a
radio can have a bigger receiver and speakers- like a car- don't
really seem to be going away quite yet.

That's because you generally spend longer time in the car than you do
on the bus.

so you're saying you think when people have to spend *more* time w/ a
device, they're *more* likely to be happy with whatever crap is on? i
would expect it to be exactly the opposite!

No, I'm saying that the inconvenience of not being able to control
what one listens to is lessened if you are able to do it for a longer
period of time and you have the time to actually follow along a
program.

Note that this applies to *radio programs*, not *music radio*. Music
radio, which most people listen to in their cars, is just background
noise and can be listened to in short timeframes. Very few people
listen to radio programs in their car because - well - the radio
programs they like may or may not be broadcasting at the specific time
they're in the car.

Just think about morning radio shows that people listen to on their
way to work. Short stories and "sketches", mixed with popular music.
Nothing long, nothing that requires the listener to stay with the
radio for more than, say, twenty minutes.

You've watched TV in ten-minute slots on the bus for billion of years?

whether it's on the bus is irrelevant- we're talking about how people
watch tv

No we're not. We're talking about how people are NOT watching tv on
mobile devices, as the data showed us.

you're saying people don't like their mobile tv in small slices, on a
broadcasters schedule- i'm using the closest analogy- regular tv- to
show how people DO watch tv in small slices, on a broadcasters
schedule.

No, they do not, as I've told you. They watch TV on their own schedule
that is being adapted to the broadcasters schedule. I.e. you watch
"friends" on tuesdays at 7 pm, or you watch the news at 5 pm every
day. You do not, however, watch TV in ten minute slices in random
places throughout the day.

i.e. i'm not disagreeing people aren't watching- i'm just
saying it's probably not for the reasons you say.

I'm guessing it may be because you're not understanding what I am
saying since you are so bent on misrepresenting it. :-D


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Sandman[.net]
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