Re: computers review


"Jesus" <rustybucket666@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:c3bf86d0-bf6f-4700-b1da-79d2497822a3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Jan 2, 11:10 pm, Snit <C...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Jesus" <rustybucket...@xxxxxxxxx> stated in post
aeb8d9d5-90d2-4066-87f5-80588f080...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 1/2/08
9:00 PM:



> On Jan 2, 10:42 pm, Snit <C...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@xxxxxxxxx> stated in post
>> 3373f59a-0c3e-4dfc-8ed4-bceb99c6c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on >> 1/2/08
>> 8:31 PM:

>>>> Of course Jesus FAILS TO SEE any post that proves his sorry lazy ass >>>> wrong.
>>>> Like Snits posting yesterday(over in the Vista harddrive thread) of >>>> the
>>>> Microsoft KB article regarding full and quick format for instance!!!

>>> ...and you neglect to see that your argument is left unaffected by >>> his
>>> post. Either you think checking the disk for errors should be done,
>>> meaning you support what Vista did, or you think the disk should >>> *not*
>>> be checked for errors, meaning you support what OS X did. You can't
>>> have it both ways, jackass.

>> I have no dog in this race, but from what I can tell MS suggests you >> do a
>> full format when you install the OS, at least under many >> circumstances, and
>> Apple makes no such suggestion. The difference might merely be in the
>> directions given by each company, but if that is the case (and I admit >> I
>> have not done a large search to double check) then a case can be made >> for
>> doing a full format with Windows and not on a Mac in order to follow >> the
>> suggested best practices.

> That case can only be made if you don't understand what a full format
> does. The full format checks for physical errors on the surface of
> the disk. Physical errors could be found on a hard disk in a PC or a
> Mac. If you're so worried about bad sectors in a PC, why aren't you
> worried about bad sectors on a Mac?

The question of why is not the only one - the question is also of following
the best practices of the company that makes the hardware. If Toyota
suggests an oil change every 3000 miles and Honda every 5000 then it makes
sense to follow their suggestions even if there is no technical reason to so
so - if you do run into problems you can assure the company that the problem
is *not* from you ignoring their recommendations. There also might be
reasons for their recommendations that you are not aware of - and there is
only so much value in researching *every* technical question to its fullest.

This, of course, is assuming that MS suggests a full format and Apple does
not.

Microsoft is suggesting a full format to make sure your hardware
doesn't have a problem. This isn't the manufacturer giving guidelines
- Microsoft doesn't make the hardware. Apple doesn't make the
hardware, either. They just chose to save the time and not do a full
disk check. That is the *only* difference between a full format and
what Apple does and what a "quick" format does.

>> Or course, a case can also be made that a knowledgeable tech should >> not just
>> follow the directions but also look into the reasons why... and then >> decide
>> if the longer full format MS suggests is worth the time (or if one >> should
>> spend the time on a Mac despite Apple not suggesting so). This, >> however,
>> might depend on a number of factors that are not apparent without >> looking
>> pretty deeply into the file formats

> Irrelevant, as this is a hardware check.

>> error correction,

> Most likely irrelevant unless this is a redundant file system where
> every bit is stored twice somewhere. Neither NTFS or HFS+ do that on
> a single drive.

>> file usage,

> Irrelevant, as this is a hardware check.

>> etc...
>> and even if you cannot find a good reason to do as MS says

> Sure I can. It makes sure you're not putting info on a bad sector on
> the disk. Is it worth the time it takes to do it? Maybe. Apple
> doesn't seem to think it's worth it, though.

So are the best practices of each company different?

>> it may be wise
>> to, generally, follow their suggestion and do the full format anyway. >> Other
>> than some lost time there is no added cost to that (well, the power >> for the
>> computer) and if you have problems and talk to MS tech you can assure >> them
>> you did follow the practices they suggest.

> The only thing that would happen is that a bad sector might not be
> found and you might lose some data. This isn't something you'd be
> calling Microsoft about. Again, this is purely a hardware check and
> it has nothing to do with the file system.

Loss of data could lead to problems you might call about... or you might
call about another topic and the techs might want to know if you follow best
practices. There is value in being able to say you do.

Then why isn't Apple doing it if doing a disk check is following best
practices?


Bottom Line: Jesus thinks he is a genius and can JUST IGNORE what the products manufacturer reccomends even though that manufacturer has spent THOUSANDS OF ENGINEER MAN HOURS over the years developing that best practice.

Conclusion: Jesus is a retard.

.

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