Re: More On State Funded Laptops

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:38:59 -0700, Oxford <colalovesmacs@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Let them learn with White CHALK and a Blackboard like my Grandfather!

So you have some actual evidence that computers in schools improve
education? Or are you just going on the same assumptions that kim is
and declaring that everything new and shiny is automatically best for
everything?

So do you have any evidence that any type of education improves
education? Nope!

Wrong. Read up on Jamie Escalante to see how a back to basics, no
nonsense approach improves education.

yes, he's a member of Apple's Distinguished Educator program.

Funny how a search on the ADE's site doesn't turn up his name, nor
does any online bio of his see fit to mention this.

He and Apple see eye to eye on getting back to basics.

I doubt it. Apple's vision is selling more computers. His was
educating students. He didn't use computers anyway so why would Apple
even bother with him?

The computer should be
invisible to the learning process, just as pencil & paper.

I find it amusing that it doesn't bother you in the least that kids
can barely read and write but you think we should give them computers
instead of kicking them in the ass and making them learn.


All we know for a fact is the history of 1000's of years ago...
societies that developed the best "tools" and taught how to use them
became the strongest.

Your problem is that you think 'best' automatically equals 'newest'.
Intelligent people know that this is not necessarily so.

some people, but not me.

Sop your insistence on giving every kid a laptop despite the complete
lack of evidence that it does anything to improve education and some
evidence that it harms the learning process is just based on plain old
foolishness?


If you don't think Chalk and a Blackboard (1800's) is better than a
Textbook (1900's),

The Ancient Greeks used textbooks, well text scrolls. Still its the
same concept. Why you think they weren't around until the 1900's is a
mystery. It does serve to highlight just how much you're talking out
your ass though.

not in the public schools they weren't.

That's the sound of Oxford draggin' them goalposts.

You are talking about the rich,
privately schooled children had these things, not "everyone" like Jamie
& Apple desire.

Apple 'desires' every kid to have an Apple laptop and couldn't give a
goddam if it improves education or not. Mr. Escalante didn't use
computers. He taught the way that actually worked.


then was better than a world wide wireless "book" in
the (the 2000's) please advise us on what is the better solution.

There's no evidence that computers are better than textbooks no matter
how hard you stomp your heels.

ah, but they are far more current and much less expensive.

So now you are claiming that shiny and new is better simply because
its shiny and new. And there's no way that laptops and all of their
support costs are less than textbooks.


Advanced societies USE the latest tools, to teach their children.

Advanced societies use the best tools to educate. The trouble is that
there's too many fools like you and kim who think anything shiny and
new is automatically the best even when there's no evidence to back
that up.

so Jamie is a fool?

Mr. Escalante didn't use computers. He used methods that work.


We KNOW you grew up on a very poor area,

LOL! This from the guy who insists that Appalachia extends worldwide.
I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's quip. It goes along the lines of 'Its
not that our opponenets know so little; its that most of what they
know just isn't so.'

You live in or very near Appalachia, we can tell by your responses.

You have no iea about Appalahia just like you have no idea about
almost anything else. Get out opf your mom's basement and look around
a little fer'chrissakes. You are the single most ignorant dolt I've
ever come across.


but why do you want everyone
else to suffer because of your low standing in life?

Says the guy who hasn't left his mom's basement in ten years.

I live over a mile above you :)

So your mom's basement is in Denver. Its still your mom's basement and
not leaving it in ten years still isn't anything to be proud of.


Please answer that... it's the pure key to why you don't want children
to advance their parents.

LOL! You want to waste millions of dollars of education's resources on
a program that has no record of ever improving education anywhere,
dollars that could have gone to proven methods of improving education
but I'm the one who is holding kids back? LOL! You're just like kim.
You don't give a damn about education. YOu just get your jollies
jamming Macs down people's throats. If most of these programs involved
Windows PC you'd be screaming bloody murder, you hypocrite.

Computers, especially Macs are far cheaper than textbooks,

Bull***.

plus they don't become out of date nearly as fast.

Please. Computers are out of date almost as soon as they roll of the
line. And very few textbooks are out of date, especially at the basic
level public school students are at. The laws aof physics, chemistry,
etc are still the same as they've been.

Yes, and I fully agree handing a laptop to every kid is not the total
answer. But I DO KNOW that the skills of 75 years ago were based on
PAPER, now they are based on accessing world wide info via wireless. So
do you want students to be held back 75 years? or do you want them to be
synced up to the future?

And of course since none of these kids have Internet access at home
and most ofthem show up on the first day of school never having even
seen a computer we must blow a wad of money teaching them at school.

perhaps in Appalachia, but not in most homes in America.

Add sarcasm to the looong list of things that Oxford is clueless
about.


That is where your ignorance continues to fail.

Your ignorance shines through when you act as if no one will ever
learn anything about computers unless we waste a lot of public
resources giving them away.

i'm totally against waste,

Your participation in this thread shows otherwise.

thus i understand going with $699 macbooks is
far more economical over primitive, expensive textbooks.

A claim you love to make but can't seem to back up.

No, I'm not at all for "new is better", I'm for the "best is better",
thus look at you still trying to limp along with a HP Laptop. That's
clearly a fool's choice. I use a PowerBook which is about 6 years ahead
of you. You got duped into a OS and hardware device way behind the cure
and paid far too much for it.

Macs are ultimate device for "people in the know". But sadly, that
excludes you since you were poorly educated in the early years so you
don't have the understanding to purchase a better valued product.

YES, i do wish Apple would bring down its guard and accept the less
fortunate. And that will happen in time, and by plan, but for people
like you still living in/very near Appalachia, it take time for powerful
tech to reach you.

So I feel sorry for you that you can't understand the larger,
technological world.

get out and see the world mayor, there is a better, more educated life
outside Usenet & Appalachia.

Says the guy who boasts about not leaving his mom's basement for ten
years.



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