Re: More On State Funded Laptops

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:42:09 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
<mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:20:51 -0700, Oxford <colalovesmacs@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

]Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Let them learn with White CHALK and a Blackboard like my Grandfather!

So you have some actual evidence that computers in schools improve
education? Or are you just going on the same assumptions that kim is
and declaring that everything new and shiny is automatically best for
everything?

So do you have any evidence that any type of education improves
education? Nope!

Wrong. Read up on Jamie Escalante to see how a back to basics, no
nonsense approach improves education.


All we know for a fact is the history of 1000's of years ago...
societies that developed the best "tools" and taught how to use them
became the strongest.

Your problem is that you think 'best' automatically equals 'newest'.
Intelligent people know that this is not necessarily so.

If you don't think Chalk and a Blackboard (1800's) is better than a
Textbook (1900's),

The Ancient Greeks used textbooks, well text scrolls. Still its the
same concept. Why you think they weren't around until the 1900's is a
mystery. It does serve to highlight just how much you're talking out
your ass though.

then was better than a world wide wireless "book" in
the (the 2000's) please advise us on what is the better solution.

There's no evidence that computers are better than textbooks no matter
how hard you stomp your heels.


Advanced societies USE the latest tools, to teach their children.

Advanced societies use the best tools to educate. The trouble is that
there's too many fools like you and kim who think anything shiny and
new is automatically the best even when there's no evidence to back
that up.


We KNOW you grew up on a very poor area,

LOL! This from the guy who insists that Appalachia extends worldwide.
I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's quip. It goes along the lines of 'Its
not that our opponenets know so little; its that most of what they
know just isn't so.'

but why do you want everyone
else to suffer because of your low standing in life?

Says the guy who hasn't left his mom's basement in ten years.


Please answer that... it's the pure key to why you don't want children
to advance their parents.

LOL! You want to waste millions of dollars of education's resources on
a program that has no record of ever improving education anywhere,
dollars that could have gone to proven methods of improving education
but I'm the one who is holding kids back? LOL! You're just like kim.
You don't give a damn about education. YOu just get your jollies
jamming Macs down people's throats. If most of these programs involved
Windows PC you'd be screaming bloody murder, you hypocrite.


Geesh, people that want to learn to be functional in today's society
should be shot! Says Oxford.

Again where's your evidence that giving every kid a laptop
accomplishes this? And why are you so bloodthirsty?

Yes, and I fully agree handing a laptop to every kid is not the total
answer. But I DO KNOW that the skills of 75 years ago were based on
PAPER, now they are based on accessing world wide info via wireless. So
do you want students to be held back 75 years? or do you want them to be
synced up to the future?

And of course since none of these kids have Internet access at home
and most ofthem show up on the first day of school never having even
seen a computer we must blow a wad of money teaching them at school.


That is where your ignorance continues to fail.

Your ignorance shines through when you act as if no one will ever
learn anything about computers unless we waste a lot of public
resources giving them away.

[My reply to Oxford continues. The previous version was prematurely
posted by my cat Alice.]

When I was a in early grade school we had regular lessons on how to
use the phone. These were considered neccesary because, even then,
phones weren't all that widespread and a lot of people who did have
them had party lines. This made teaching children proper phone use all
the more important.
Computers caught on a lot faster than phones. All of the poor little
darlings that you and kim are fretting will forever remain ignorant of
computers if they don't get their own laptop in school grew up with
one on the house and know how to use them better than their parents
do. The problem that you want to 'solve' simply doesn't exist.
Computers have also become cheap enough than anyone, even those on
public assistance, can afford them. The only reason someone doesn't
have one right now is because they don't want one.


Actual Quote From: Oxford... "Ignorance is Best", "Heavier means
more Power"...

What a fool.

Yes you are quite the fool for assuming that 'new' automatically means
'better'. Of course you're just like kim. You don't really give a damn
about education. You just get a jolly off of ramming Macs down
people's throats. If most of these programs were giving out non-Macs
you two would be howling in protest.

No, I'm not at all for "new is better", I'm for the "best is better",

Which is overturned by the fact that there's no evidence that
computers in school are better and there's some slim evidence that
they actually harm education.

thus look at you still trying to limp along with a HP Laptop. That's
clearly a fool's choice. I use a PowerBook which is about 6 years ahead
of you. You got duped into a OS and hardware device way behind the cure
and paid far too much for it.

LOL! You keep bringing up my laptop, which has served me well for
three years and likely will for another three. Who are you really
trying to convince that you got the better deal - me or you? I know
I'm happy with my HP. I do know a guy who bought a MacBook about the
same time I bought my HP. His is in pretty ragged shape. Judging from
his I'd say its pretty clear that you're trying to convince yourself.


Macs are ultimate device for "people in the know".

You misspelled 'ultimate device for ignorant blowhards in the cult of
Steve.'

But sadly, that
excludes you since you were poorly educated in the early years so you
don't have the understanding to purchase a better valued product.

Says the guy who feels the need to constantly try and justify his
getting taken.


YES, i do wish Apple would bring down its guard and accept the less
fortunate. And that will happen in time, and by plan, but for people
like you still living in/very near Appalachia, it take time for powerful
tech to reach you.

By your definition everyone lives in Appalachia, even you.


So I feel sorry for you that you can't understand the larger,
technological world.

Oxford confesses to self-pity.


.

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