Re: Why Apple isn't like Microsoft...

On Oct 27, 3:15 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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"Edwin" <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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In article <mMydnfRLp9ADo7zanZ2dnUVZ_oimn...@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Edwin" <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On 2007-10-25 16:25:37 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...@xxxxxxxxx> said:

In article <1193350095.692984.267...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Edwin <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Vista arrived late and missing features.

Leopard, OTOH... er... arrived late... and... uh... missing
features...

... Never mind.

Vista arrived *years* late.

Leopard arrived *years* late.

I corrected your sentence.

MS *wishes* they'd only slipped four months.

So does Apple.

Why? Apple kept the schedule they announced when they delayed Leopard
for the iPhone back in the spring.

Then Microsoft kept their schedule after they announced Longhorn/Vista
delays.

BTW, where's all the "secret features" Leopard was supposed to have?

OTOH, you're just your delusional self to reinforce your own perception
or just plain lying to argue. The latter seems a more likely consequence
of your delusions.

Projecting your traits into me is getting you nowhere.

By contrast, Longhorn was stripped of features and arrived years late
as opposed to Leopard which was delayed back in Spring 2007 to Fall,
namely October 2007

IOW, there is no contrast between Vista and Leopard. They share the same
circumstances.

If you want a contrast, it would be that Vista is a completely new rewrite
of Windows, where as Leopard is just a minor bug fix of Tiger.

No, Edwin. Vista was supposed to be a rewrite, but that effort failed.

The fact that they had to abandon that work and restart the project
using the Windows 2000 (IIRC) codebase is one of the major factors in
the late shipping of Vista.

"'There are also compatibility issues,' says Bradshaw, 'it has been a
complete rewrite of the software."

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.12276

" The focus of Microsoft on the development of Vista has been a
complete rewrite of the core operating system to make the experience
more productive, stable, secure and easy to use."

http://www.bus.umich.edu/Technology/News/Vista.htm

"What's the big deal with DX10? DX10 is a complete rewrite of DirectX.
That in itself is a big deal. The rewrite now treats the 3D graphics
system much like the memory or CPU on your computer, meaning the core
OS manages things like resource sharing and scheduling. That's just a
fancy way of saying that the stability and robustness of the graphics
system will be as good as the core OS. Remember the bad ol' days of
Windows when an application crash might lock up your PC? Windows NT
(and subsequently Windows 2000, XP and 2003) fixed that. DX10 will do
the same thing for graphics. A crash in the graphics system won't
"blue screen" your PC."

http://blogs.msdn.com/tdragger/archive/2006/01/18/514571.aspx

"XML Paper Specification or XPS. The name is misleading-XPS is a
complete rewrite of the printing subsystem within Windows"

http://members.whattheythink.com/home/070116sherburne.cfm

""Vista has the potential to be a bigger issue (than previous Windows
updates) because it is a complete code rewrite," says David Bradshaw,
a principal analyst at Ovum."

http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/operating-systems/windows/news-analysis/index.cfm?articleid=385

"With Windows Vista, Outlook Express is getting a complete rewrite and
a new name: Windows Mail."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/wp-mobile.php?p=26&more=1

"One question that Riley was presented with was whether or not
Microsoft should have just taken the BSD TCP/IP stack and extended it
for Vista rather than rewriting the networking stack from scratch.
Riley responded by saying that, because of items like group policy,
zero configuration, and 802.1X standards, a complete rewrite was much
more efficient than trying to extend an existing framework."

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/09/02/5183

"'There are also compatibility issues,' says Bradshaw, 'it has been a
complete rewrite
of the software. There are going to be applications and drivers for
different devices
that aren't going to work with Vista."

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HfB1he9gZSgJ:www.bcs.org/server_process.php%3Fshow%3DconWebDoc.12276+Vista+is+a+complete+rewrite&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=194&gl=us&client=firefox-a

""Vista was a whole new platform, while the Mac OS X platform was
first rolled out in 2001," says McGuire."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/software/2007-10-16-apple-leopard-october_N.htm

"From the kernel to the shell, Windows Vista is a very different OS
than XPSP2. How so?"

"Here, Charles interviews Architect Narayanan Ganapathy whose team of
highly skilled engineers write the Windows IO system, driver
frameworks and related technologies. So, what, exactly, is new in
Windows Vista with regard to IO? What does it mean, exactly, to users
and developers?"

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=240089

"Today's Vista began life in early 2005, when MS started over from
scratch. That is, started over from the latest stable code base
(Windows Server 2003 SP1) At that time, the idea was to tackle the
problem of the over-complex code. Now, you can't turn around in Vista
without finding a core sub-system that's been completely rewritten.
Video, audio, networking, you name it. They've been redone from the
ground up with the future in mind. So you see it's quite the
opposite. After this initial hump, MS will be poised to crank out new
releases."

http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/will-vista-will-be-the-last-operating-system-microsoft-produces/

The bottom line is...

.... Alan Baker is WRONG...

.... AGAIN! <G>

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