Re: Quad Core PC for less than a Mac Mini

On Oct 3, 12:12 pm, -hh <recscuba_goo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Edwin <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
-hh <recscuba_goo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You're assuming that just because they will sell it, that it is a
reasonably optimal configuration.

That would be the assumption you're making about Macs. PC USA,
OTOH, gives you full specs and details about everything inside their
computers.

Yes, and it is up to the consumer to know which combinations suck.

None of them "suck." Only the lowest cost MB wasn't held in regard
for power users. It still kicks the crap out the Mac Mini that costs
more than it.

This is why PC USA is euphemistically only a parts supplier instead of
a credible systems designer.

Given that they offer around a million permutations, that is patently
impossible.

No it's not. The motherboard manufacturer takes care of that for
you.

Being pin-compatible doesn't mean optimized.

You haven't shown all the MB selections are not optimized.

Strike two.

You've got more strikes than that.

PC companies also hire computer
scientists, engineers, etc.

Yes, they do - - but PC USA does not.

They don't need to. The MB manufacturer does.

Hence, this is why PC USA is
euphemistically only a parts supplier

They're not a parts supplier, they sell pre-built computers.

instead of a credible systems
designer.

All the design work is done by the MB and case manufacturers.

After all, if they were, the should have flagged your build
choices with a "bad combination" warning.

Except it's not a "bad combination."

No, it is that if you're going to pay for four (4) cores, the system
design needs to be able to support it, to the tune of roughly 20GB/sec
worth of bandwidth to the Northbridge controller.

You seem to have forgotten the chip you're talking about originated in
PC's not Macs. The Wintel world didn't need Apple to show them how
to use their own technology.

The originations have nothing to do with the CPU being choked by an
inadequate bus: note that this design factor is OS-independent.

Sure, as if all four cores are always going to be going full blast
every second, and always demanding the exact same resource at the
exact same nanosecond. Regardless, you were shown a better MB at
that site, you continue to ignore it and harp on the cheapest
offering.

What gave you the right to apply your rumors and FUD to PC USA?

It isn't a rumor: it is a fact.

That statement did nothing other than make a blow hard out of you.

Your petty insults

What insults?

do not change the truth,

That you are a blow hard.

which is that this CPU
can't run at its full potential on this motherboard, because only has
half the bandwidth needed.

So move to another choice of MB from that site. Duh!

> And because PC USA sells "ALL"
permutations, it is inevitable that some (to many) of them will suffer
from this problem.

The solution to your 'dilemma' was one click down.

Irrelevant, because *you* didn't select that permutation, Eddie.

I shouldn't have had to select it for you, if you were half as smart
as you give yourself credit for being.

And specifically, your selected design has 4 cores, but only 10 GB/sec
of bandwidth to its Northbridge. Thus, it is significantly (50%)
bottlenecked, which means that your **system** design selection sucks.

I gave you an alternative that you ignored.

If you want to suggest a "less bad" alternative, start a new thread.

No, we'll do it right here.

And the selection of any of the other CPUs on that page's pull-downs
actually makes this deficiency worse. Since PC USA doesn't offer
only a dual core on this page, no CPU for this motherboad can be
properly matched, so at some level, they have to take some blame for
it too.

Why do you ignore the pull down on motherboards but yammer about the
pull down on CPUs?

Because *all* of the CPU options for this motherboard suck.

So your answer is you're just bending over backwards to find a reason
to complain. Gotcha.

If you
want to eliminate the motherboard as an option off of its pull-down,
that would be an acceptable alternative too.

It doesn't have to be eliminated for you to select a different MB
option.

Translation: Eddie got caught with **his own citation**

Caught? I gave you that citation and the URL to the review, because
you were too impaired to read and navigate PC USA's site.

Actually, I tried, but for some reason, my XP machine couldn't reach
that website yesterday. I did explitly state this yesterday too.

No it's XP's fault? How did I get there with XP?

You didn't "catch me."

Your own citation said that that motherboard sucked for anything more
than a Dual, and you put a Quad on it.

Suck for who, and doing what?

If it wasn't *you* who was
caught, then who was it that got caught disregarding their
evaluation?

Beats me. Who?

It was either you or PC USA who screwed up...choose your poison!

Neither.

Not to worry, PC USA offers lots of choices. For $85.50 extra, you
can get:

Abit Intel 975X, Q/QX-1066, E-1333, Crossfire, RAID, w/Audio, w/GbLAN.
[ AW9D ]

$541 plus another $85 is $626 ... and which makes it more expensive
than a mini.

Since when is $626 more than $799? You mean to say you though you'd
match the one with 1.83 GHz processors against 2.4 GHz processors,
instead of the 2.0 GHz Mac Mini?

Congratulations, you've now shown that by spending more, you can
(probably) end up getting more. How utterly profound of you,
Edwin. :-)

Even if you were correct that would mean spending ~$30 more to get
quad processors... and you think you ended this argument as the
winner? How profoundly ridiculous of you.

Now how about telling us something more about that MB besides what it
does to the bottom line? Can't do it? Cat's got your tongue?

.

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