Re: For Windows Advocates: DX10 for Windows XP?

"Sandman" <mr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:mr-E3F1BB.23533914092007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In article <13elr1rcolj222b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Daniel Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's very backwards compatible; DirectX 9 is also present
in Vista, so your existing games work.

Did you just claim that games work in Vista? :-D

Yeah. Pretty much. :D

>> Microsoft figures they'll come along when the games they lust for
>> use DX10. By then their computers will have enough RAM to run
>> Vista and also play a game, or so one would think.
>
> The amount of ram isn't the problem, Backards-compatibility is the
> problem. Many games just doesn't work on Vista.

My experience so far is that old games do work

Right, but for actual gamers out there that doesn't double as Windows
apologists, the truth is that old games doesn't work. The exception to
the rule is that sometimes and old game may work.

I can understand how you might think so- the whining about
Vista has been deafening, so you might easily think the back-compat
is really dire.

It's not *that* bad, it's just not as good as Microsoft has done
in the past. People are used to getting more from MS.

Consumers buy the game. It is the game developer who
chooses between DX9 and DX10.

No, DX10 drives hardware sales. DX10 is the main selling point for
Crysis. I'm sure you are aware that it's consumers that will be buying
Crysis, not developers.

You seem to not be listening.

[snip]
I expect customers will follow, if the games are DX10 only.

Which they won't, given Vistas poor backwards compatibility.

I think you are mistaken. Vista's back-compat isn't as bad
as all that. It's not completely seamless in practice, but stuff
works, or can be made to.

I run/host two fairly large gaming communities in Sweden -
www.gameconnect.se and www.level7.nu. Pretty much none of the gamers
there run Vista.

Have you actually checked?

I can see them holding off due to the fact that they'll lose precious
framerate if they upgrade, but that was true for XP too, and gamers
did come over eventually.

But you sound like you are projection your own preferences
onto your users there.

[snip]
No? Why not?

It's a five year old technology, Dan. It's almost as old as Windows
XP. The current version of DX9 was released over three years ago. The
only reason for it to have been so stagnant is because MS choose to
make DX10 Vista-only, a version of their OS that gamers doesn't even
touch.

You seem to be having some cognitive dissonance.

It's okay to lust for Direct X 10. I am very sympathetic with
geek lust. Truely.

DirectX 10 is a Vista feature; I know you *want* to get
it for free, but MS is under no moral obligation to give you
freebies.

If DirectX 10 is All That, you should get Vista to have it. This
isn't a Mac, so you can turn off pretty much everything, if you
want to maximize performance.

But beyond geek lust, what matters are the games. Only DX10
games provide a real reason for gamers to switch to Vista.

> That was pretty hilarious in itself. You can't see it with some GUI
> tool?

dxdiag is a GUI tool. The "run" command is the quickest way
to find it.

Fair enough. It's till hilarious though. Opening it with the terminal
is the quickest way to open a GUI application in Windows... Hehe.

I didn't say anything about the "terminal".

You can use Vista search on Vista, of course, but you will
always have DX10 installed on Vista anyway.

That is, if the Vista search isn't broken of course, which it usually
is.

It's personal, Sandman. It hates you! :D

[snip]
What happens on the 25th?

You would know if you were a gamer anticipating a DX10 game. :)

I didn't realize any real DX10 exclusives had existed, but then
I'm not a hardcore gamer.

If they are coming out already, that will speed the transition to
Vista.

[snip]
More than enough, really.

But a 512MB system is enough for Vista if you are just
web browsing. Games are another matter. 1 GB at the least.

high-end gamers (the ones using DX10 hardware) doesn't really have a
problem with this. They have a problem with Vistas poor backwards
compatibility.

Sure. But while it's not what it was in XP, it's still pretty good. You
can play your old games.

.

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