Re: John, formerly Winman, vandalizes Wikipedia

In article <PP_zi.5344$i75.3906@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"ed" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

NYC tends to get this sort of thing pretty late, because it's generally
all left up to the private sector, and the costs of installing new
infrastructure in NYC are extremely high. So, you end up with Verizon
running fiber in suburbs in Virginia years before they get around to
wiring up Manhattan.

That I just don't get. Customers here are ready to pay 26,000 SEK
($3,791) just to have the citynet connected to their house (this is
for residentials, of course).

say i live in on the 8th floor of a condo in manhattan, in a building that
doesn't have fiber already- you'd first need to run fiber to the building
(super hard),

Here: Super easy. You just call Mälarenergi (the local company that
handles the citynet) and they put you in the queue for connection. If
you're in the core city, you'd be set in just a couple of months, tops.

Mälarenergi is a daughter company of the city, so it's not a
commercial company.

then run it up to the unit (easy or hard, depending on how the
wiring was laid out)

Building networks is a grey area. Mälarenergi will help you if you
need it. Generally, you rig the building with CAT5 or CAT6 and set up
a fiber switch in the basement. SOme run fiber throughout the building.

seems like it'd cost WAY more than $4k to me...

The above scenarion wouldn't even cost you that. If you are tenant,
such a connection would add about $14 to your monthly bill. If it's a
tenant-ownership, you'd probably pay for the building wiring to your
condo and then a one-time fee for the connection to the house, which
is far lower than my scenario above.

The scenario above is for detached houses, when Mälarenergi has to dig
up the street outside of you and connect each and every building
seperately.

Of course, all of this is subsidized by the government. When you've
paid $4000, you get about $800 back on the taxes

compared to some new development in the suburbs, where there starting from
scratch- you've got open ditches where you're running utilitites anyways, so
you toss down some fiber to each house anyways. and let's face it- i simply
don't think the internet is important enough to most people to pay $3,791 in
the US- i sure as hell wouldn't pay that. what's not to get?

Yet here everyone pays just that to get citynet. Why? Because it
raises the value of the property many times that.


A lot of people here got burned when running cable TV was optional and
they choose not to, since it cost pretty much the same. Years later,
they had no TV reception and had to shell out for it at a much higher
cost.

$4000 is as cheap as it gets, if you don't do it now, it won't become
cheaper later, that's the message.

The other message is that it's fiber. There's no other technology in
ten or twenty years that will replace fiber.

and when you say customers are 'ready to pay' - how many have ACTUALLY paid?

About 69% of the entire town has invested in the citynet to various
degrees. About 50% of ALL detached houses in Sweden with citynet is in
my hometown.

I'm talking percentages here, since Västerås, my town, isn't a big
town when discussing New York. It's a town of 140,000 people and is
the sixth biggest town in Sweden.

For companies, rentals and tenant-owners
associations (which I think is the correct word) it's a lot cheaper
than that. And that's just for the connection itself, after that you
have to get a subscription from an ISP (which, as I've mentioned
earlier, is as low as $20/month for 10 mbit/s full duplex (and a
100mbit/s connection to the citynet).




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