Re: PCMag Editor: "Vista just ain't cutting it."

"PC Guy" <pc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Snit" <C...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"PC Guy" <pc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> stated:
"Peter Hayes" <notinu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hardware is made to work with Windows. That's a given, a result of
Microsoft's market dominance.

Ahhh! But it's my claim he might be using hardware that
was NOT made to work specifically with Vista.
And as a result might be the cause of his problems.

He *might* not be...

I agree. We don't know either way so we can't say conclusively one way or
the other.

Okay, so all of this 'certification' subthread is merely uninformed
_speculation_.


but that is hardly a given and, given his credentials, it is not likely...
that is unless MS has made it extraordinarily hard to figure out
what hardware works with it.

His credentials really don't help make a case one way or the other.

It doesn't make the case, but the arguement simply is a counter to the
previous *speculation* as to the cause.

Since neither is definitive, we can't accept the first without also
accepting the second. If we want to eliminate this degree of
speculation, then we need to apply it equally, which means that the
speculation that his problems were due to uncertified hardware has to
be dropped too.


You can't have it both ways.

Exactly.

BTW, please remember this when it comes to future discussions for the
question of buying OEM versus DIY's, as well as life cycle cost
justifications that are justified by DIY incremental upgrades...see
below.


Also he refers to a self built system.

True, he used the "b" word, but what precisely does that mean?

Not what *can* it entail, but within common parlance what is the
minimum that that *must* entail?

For example, for some people, buying a Dell computer and mating it up
with a ViewSonic monitor and HP printer is adequate to meet their
definition of having "built a system".

Is that within the realm of the speculatively (remember) plausible
here?

If it is, then there aren't any non-OEM, uncertified components inside
the Dell PC case since it didn't even get its case cracked open, or
any subassemblies touched. Hence, where would there be
'Certifiation' issues herein?


Does he have the necessary resources to ensure all the components
work well together?

How do we know that he did any component-level work, let alone if it
was of a kind that could have had an impact?

This arguement is all very dependent upon how we are choosing to
interpret his use of the word "build"...what it might mean to one
person is not necessarily what it means to the next person. As such,
what is the lowest common denominator?


Hasn't that been one of the Mactards selling points for
pre-assembled systems? One of the benefits of buying a Mac?

And it is not also now yours too?

Afterall, this is what the impliations are of the statement that
Retail licences of Vista should perhaps be discontinued, so as to
prevent these sorts of incompatibility problems with installations of
non-certified aftermarket component subassemblies.



But if you want the newest and most secure version of Windows then,
essentially, you need a new computer.

No, you don't need a new computer. Vista can be installed on existing
systems.

But which essentially consist of machines that the OEM has certified
and which have effectively had zero aftermarket (non-OEM) upgrades.

Given the commonality of prior CSMA arguements that PC superiority is
in no small part due to aftermarket upgrades (especially the tower -
vs- all in one arguments), under the law of unintended consequences,
what this also means is that the "still stock" OEM PC's no longer
pragmatically exist for this "can be installed" arguement to be
applied to.


MS simply blew it with that... heck, Leopard will almost surely run on
non-Intel systems.

Huh?

The statement is pointing out that it is considered very unlikely that
Apple is going to drop support of their installed base of legacy PPC
Macs so quickly.

For OS 10.4 (Tiger), its hardware minimum was 256MB RAM, a PowerPC G5,
G4, or G3 CPU and built-in FireWire.

For OS 10.5 (Leopard), the beta hardware minimums have been G4 867 MHZ
with 500MB HD. If these specs stand in the final version, Leopard
will essentially be backwards-compatible to nearly all Macs built in
the past 5 years.

Or at least the 'stock' configurations thereof :-)

-hh

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