Re: Thank God for Winblows


"Peter Hayes" <notinuse2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1i2qtha.1grqn6c1yxfhybN%notinuse2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PC Guy <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Peter Hayes" <notinuse2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> PC Guy <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> "Peter Hayes" <notinuse2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1i2mu38.1gx4kxl1g4943eN%notinuse2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > PC Guy <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Megadave" <megadethguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:megadethguy-946960.20064407082007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > In article <8LidncAf4efBMCXbnZ2dnUVZ_q2hnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> >> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Y'know Stevie.. you make a good point. IF you configure the
>> >> >> > accounts to be "regular" or "constrained" users then you're
>> >> >> > right... most of the viruses and trojans out there can't be
>> >> >> > installed because they require administrator access to >> >> >> > propagate.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > However, any access you set can be gotten around. And since >> >> >> > may
>> >> >> > of even the most mundane software packages needs Admin access >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > the computer, most people become too lazy to keep admin access
>> >> >> > turned off, or simply cannot.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fixed with Vista. Perhaps Mactards will let this "argument" die >> >> >> in
>> >> >> 10 years or so.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll believe it when Vista's been out for a year and a Service
>> >> > Pack (or two) have been released.
>> >>
>> >> Like I said: Perhaps Mactards will let this "argument" die in 10
>> >> years or so.
>> >
>> > Longer than that. It'll take decades to replace even half the >> > current
>> > PCs with machines running Vista.
>>
>> Man! You Mactards are in SERIOUS denial.
>
> I don't think so. There's ample evidence of machines still running '98
> and '2000 in daily use. Why change what works?

Agreed. Why the sudden change of heart from you?

What change of heart? I've said for years that Gates' big problem is
that software doesn't wear out. All he can do is attempt to make it
obsolete.

> Vista will eventually assimilate the PC market, unless of course Son of
> Vista appears in a few of years. But whatever happens, XP will be > around
> for many many years, until the hardware expires probably.

It needs to achieve 51% in order for your statement above to be wrong. I
believe it's realistic to think it will achieve 51% within 10 years.
Especially given it has sold 60 million copies to date.

Clarification - MS have allegedly shipped 60 million copies, that
certainly doesn't mean there's 60 million copies in active use, most are
sitting on dealers' shelves or in OEM's warehouses. Don't overlook that
OEMs have to buy a certain number to qualify for their deep discounts,
even if they end up as landfill.

With 250 million computers it's already achieved 24% market penetration.

Pure fantasy.

Sweaty Ballmer recently said there was circa 1000 million PCs in use
ATM. So that's 6% penetration on MS's sales figures and substantially
less on real world machines actually in use, probably sub 1%.

> So don't look to anything other than XP being the main Microsoft OS for
> a very long time.
>
>> >> > And it's not an "argument" it's an argument.. and a valid point >> >> > up
>> >> > thru XP.
>> >>
>> >> Which is no longer the current version of Windows. The problems >> >> been
>> >> addressed.
>> >
>> > Any fool can "address" a problem. We've yet to see proof that Vista >> > is
>> > as secure as you claim.
>>
>> Not a SINGLE piece of malware in the wild. Not ONE. And it's been out >> for
>> almost 10 months.
>
> Your maths skills is seriously in error. January to August is 7 months.
> The OEM pre-release doesn't count.

November to January was not OEM pre-release. It was release to volume
licensors.

OK. So how did OEMs get their copies to flog to the unsuspecting public
on day one of general release if it wasn't released to them until then?

> There's plenty of Vista exploits around but none worth exploiting until
> Vista use achieves critical mass and that's still some time off.

LOL! There's the marketshare argument that was quickly dismissed when used
to explain the lack of malware for OS X.

The OS X demograph represents a group with higher spending power than
the Windows equivalent. Surely someone would have created an exploit to
separate these Maccies from their money? Yet no such exploit exists.
Why? Because OS X is secure by design, unlike Windows which leaks like a
seive by design.

Now I ask you Peter and I want a direct answer:

YOU expect a direct answer?. This is the most evasive guy on Usenet
asking for a "direct answer". ROTFL.

Do you believe market share is a significant factor in
determining whether an OS is targetted by malware authors?

I have already answered that question. If you can't work it out maybe a
reading comprehension courses would be in order.

Mactards, never can get a straight answer from them. Doing so wouldn't give them wiggle room to explain away their hypocrisy. Don't worry Peter, your hypocrisy is easy to recognize without specifically stating it.

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