Re: The Wintard Preoccupation with Price and Marketshare

"ed" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
1185235140.565453.50030@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 7/23/07 4:59 PM:

On Jul 23, 4:24 pm, Snit <C...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"ed" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
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There's a reason I used the word 'often' and not the word 'always'.

Ok... I would go with it is true "sometimes", just as it is true of Windows
sometimes. I gave multiple personal examples where Macs were cheaper - and
greatly so - than were Windows machines *and* pointed to many price
comparisons that showed the prices of the two are comparable (or, maybe,
the
Macs are even a bit less expensive over all).

hmmm, were one of those examples you refer to above (where you and a
coworker looked) where you were trying to find core 2 duo machines,
and i showed you where the prices you speced where higher (without any
edu discounts) than i priced them out at? :D

I would have to look at past posts, but I believe your computers did not fit
other specs and *still*, in the long run, ended up being more expensive
(purchase costs are only a small part of the overall costs of a machine)

but it's hard to get the lowest overall costs down (which necessarily
requires some estimation) when you don't even get the lowest hardware
costs (which are a known), eh? :D

My point was that the purchase price is hardly the full price of use. If
you can estimate each of the costs then you can make a pretty good choice as
to what computer will be the most cost effective.

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Then again, when you get that "$300" machine you then need to make sure it
has malware protection, support, likely need more memory and perhaps other
upgrades, etc... and in the end the Mac *might* actually be the more cost
effective solution.

he's comparing hardware.

He was comparing solutions for a specific needs.

yes, the hardware solution. :D it's clear that the comparison is a
hardware comparison.

Well, a rock makes a better paper weight... which is what a PC is without
software. :)

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Sure... Apple does not have as many configurations as the rest of the
industry combined *and*, especially, does not go after the low end much. I
have no argument when you look at the low end segment and say that Macs
generally cost more if you get a higher end machine to meet those low end
needs.

so i guess you would consider macbooks and such 'mid end'? the
problem is, the wintel world has machines that are pretty comparable
to macbooks for just a bit more than half the price. for example,
when i bought my laptop back in feb., i had some relatively simple
requirements- dual core, 1gb ram, dvd writer, smallish screen (13-14"
to be more portable). not exactly a total stripper machine, and a
natural comparison to a macbook, right? even a *refurb* macbook, with
512mb ram, and a combo drive was $300 more (@ $899 compared to $599.
stepping up to extra memory and a superdrive made it over $1k.).
yes, the macbook had a couple features my laptop didn't have, but the
opposite was true as well.

I have pointed to comparison after comparison... ones *not* originating in
CSMA.

yes, i know, god forbid you include actual data from someone actually
making a purchase with their own money. :D

In the past when people have done so the debates end up being about what is
needed and what will be used and on and on... if you want to talk about the
details of a specific choice you made that is fine - but do not pretend that
overrides the data of the "third party" comparisons. This is also true of
the comparisons *I* have made - you are a good example of someone who wanted
to minimize the importance of them. :)

As I noted earlier, though, sometimes I go with OS X, sometimes Windows, and
sometimes Linux - depends on the needs and the resources.

On average the Mac does quite well. Sure, I know some folks in CMSA
claim otherwise... but the *data* that is collected outside of CSMA does not
support that claim.

the data collected outside csma is no more reliable, and i would say
it's actually less so, as it more often does not include *specific*
details.

The data outside of CSMA is less likely to be, as a whole, as biased.



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