Re: 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.

"Steve Carroll" <noone@xxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
noone-65AD3F.22311209072007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 7/9/07 9:31 PM:

You are going around and around stating the same things.

Yes, Snit... the reality here has not changed. You opined something about Bush
and Clinton. Clinton opined the same thing about himself regarding his actions
that you have opined about his actions.

In both cases, Bush and Clinton, there is no reasonable doubt that they
committed crimes (were guilty of breaking the law).

You have made your opinion abundantly clear on Bush... as well as the
extremely bizarre way you reached that opinion. You said this about your
evidence of Bush's guilt:

"Right.  It does not offer proof.  The definition of proof is: "a
formal series of statements showing that if one thing is true something else
necessarily follows from it"

See? You flatly admitted you did not have one true thing from which something
else can necessarily follow. Even more bizarre... you followed the above with:

"While the evidence in my argument points to the conclusion and strongly
supports it, it is not, technically, in a logical sense, proof".

If there isn't one single true thing from which something else can necessarily
follow it's very strange that you would see this as *any* kind of support...
yet, you are seen making these statements in one paragraph. You're either
insane, screwing around to get attention... or a bit of both.

I excuse neither, though I do not believe all law breaking is morally equal.
Having an affair (even if it leads to perjury) is simply not as bad as
overthrowing a sovereign government (even if that government was one I would
never support).

Clinton's affair is irrelevant.

Fact: An affair can not cause perjury... a person causes perjury.

I believe you accept Clinton's guilt

I have no reason to doubt Clinton did what he caused... that which he
apologized for.

but not Bush's - even though, as far as I know, you have not offered any
cause to have reasonable doubt.

What I believe is irrelevant here as you are the guy who made the statement
about Bush's guilt and asked for it to be refuted. I am aware you are in
denial of all that has been presented to you with respect to that refutation.
No one expected you to agree with anything that was presented to you that
would refute your argument. I have pointed out that even you admit your
evidence doesn't contain one true thing from which something else can
necessarily follow... and this reality doesn't slow you down one bit.

If you do have such cause, Steve, I would love to hear it.

You have been given plenty of reasons to doubt, by many people. I have watched
you dismiss, with absolutely no valid reason, many things that were presented
to you. Sometimes you dismissed stuff for what I consider *very* goofy reasons
that proved to me in concrete fashion that you really didn't comprehend the
subject matter you were discussing... so there really isn't much to discuss
here... your opinion will not change no matter what. The bottom line is that
you are free to hold the opinion that you do... regardless of how you have
reached it. Of course, people are free to think you're a kook for having
reached it the way you did. Your position makes absolutely no sense to me at
all. As I see it, it's way beyond unreasonable to call someone guilty when you
freely admit that you can't point to one thing you know to be true from which
something else can necessarily follow... but that's you.

None of this is complex, Steve, and I really have no desire to go 'round and
'round with you over it again: either you understand it or you do not by now.

Yet, you keep going round and round... restating what even you have admitted
is merely your opinion on the matter... an opinion based on not being able to
point to one single true thing from which something else would necessarily
follow.

As I stated:

In both cases, Bush and Clinton, there is no reasonable
doubt that they committed crimes (were guilty of breaking
the law). I excuse neither, though I do not believe all law
breaking is morally equal. Having an affair (even if it
leads to perjury) is simply not as bad as overthrowing a
sovereign government (even if that government was one I
would never support). I believe you accept Clinton's guilt
but not Bush's - even though, as far as I know, you have not
offered any cause to have reasonable doubt. If you do have
such cause, Steve, I would love to hear it.

While you failed to offer a single cause for reasonable doubt, Steve, you
did post in a way that was completely consistent with your holding an agenda
of antagonizing CSMA regulars and disrupting this forum, as well as being
consistent with the idea that you are consumed with hatred.


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? If A = B then B = A (known as the "symmetric property of equality")
? Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
? One can be actually guilty of a crime but neither tried nor convicted




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