Re: Is Apple Testing The Watters?

"John Slade" <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"-hh" <recscuba_goo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You simply restrict your PC product choices to ones whch are
reasonably comparable in their form factor metrics. This isn't rocket
science.

"Form factor metrics" what the hell are you babbling about.

Product design.

The form
factor is the size and type of motherboard that goes into a particular case.

True, motherboards have form factors too. Wasn't talking about
them.


You should leave form factor out of this and stick to capabilities.

If form factor elements such as size and weight wasn't a capability of
interest to the consumers, then there would be absolutely no notebook
market.


Form factors here include size and weight. A desktop and a notebook
computer are hardly equals when it comes to the relative convenience
of portability, or the amount of real estate that they occupy on (or
under) a desk. Similarly, a 9lb laptop isn't as easy transported as a
5lb laptop, so their form factors are not comparably equivalent.

You're pretty much clueless. This has nothing to do with performance.

It most certainly does for some applications. How fast can you run
through an airport while lugging a Dell XPS tower? Wouldn't you
rather be carrying a notebook computer? :-) Similarly, small form
factor desktops are quite ideal for 'desktop' cofigurations that may
get frequently relocated, such as kiosks or trade show booths &
displays.


Macs use a proprietary form factor. So does Sony for it's AIO. So it's
irrelevant. We're talking about performance.

I'm talking about performance within the context of multiple
constraints. Not every home has the power, A/C or space to setup and
run a Cray :-)


Except for form factors. How much space it occupies on a desk is a
factor of performance even if *you* personally don't put that much
significance or priority on it.

Form factor is irrelevant. It only means size and shape, not
performance.

Form factor metrics of significance vary by the application, and
typically also by the industry. Please don't be so stupidly insistant
on keeping blinders on yourself.


But their hardware performance specs were the same, John.

As I look at it now, both of them are overpriced.

That's because you utterly disregard form factor as an attribute.


You had to look high
and low and still couldn't find a Mac that is cheaper.

I invited comparisons, contingent upon relative form factor parity.
Its not my fault that you've *still* failed to find any alternatives
that's within the same form factor constraints.


What I compared is computers with BETTER performance
and still cheaper than an iMac.

All you demonstrated was that when you utterly disregarding various
other factors that are value-added - - such as the latter's form
factor - - you're able to find a cheaper product.


You can't do that
unless you find the very few exceptions to the rule.

Proof? None.

Why? Because John has *still* failed to find any Windows alternatives
that are within the same basic form factors.

FWIW, I don't dispute that some people will opt for a better bang for
the buck by disregarding factors that they consider unimportant to
them such as an iMac's form factor, nor am I trying to dispute that
some commodity-based tower can't match motherboard specifications at a
lower price point.

My point is that the only way that these Windows machines are able to
compete is based on price, not by price *AND* form factor.

So while you *can* find computers that have better performance
specifications at lower prices, it is because you purposefully chose
to ignore certain other product attributes, such as the respective
form factors.

I'm interested in making a *fair* comparison, where the respective
systems' form factors are comparable. For the Sony VAIO / iMac
comparison, they have relative parity in performance and form factor,
so they represent an IMO relatively fair baseline of comparison for
the final variable, price


So too was there parity in their form factors.

The form factor is not the same. You are clueless as to what form
factor means.

An expert not only knows all that there is about a subject, but also
which parts are wrong. See next.


Gosh golly gee, Mr, Wizard: this is Rocket Science!

Form factor. Learn the meaning.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_factor

"...in computing, form factor is used to describe the size
and format of PC motherboards (see AT, ATX, WTX, BTX,
Mini-ITX, SSI CEB), but also of hard drives, power supplies,
cases, and add-in cards."
^^^^^

Your shortcoming John was in believing that 'form factor' can only
have one singular meaning. It doesn't.



Does HP or Dell make AIO form factor PC's like Sony does?
If not, then those brands can't be used for a comparison of AIO's.

AIOs are notoriosly bad value. Both the Sony and Mac are overpriced for
what you get.

So if it is the AIO design that's the culpret, then why do you insist
on just blaming Apple for it?

As I said:

This rant just goes to illustrate just how utterly and closed-minded
you are in your biases, John:


Oh so now OEM is ok. LOL You guys really are stretching.

I was just being conservative. If you're okay with a 3rd party
keyboard/mouse for ~$20, that then frees up $55 with which we can buy
a UPS to use as a 'portable' battery supply to make it more laptop-
like and address your later whine on that. In any case, this is still
far, far less disingenuous than the wankers who try to pawn off a half
pile of parts with no OS as somehow being a fair comparison to a fully
assembled, tested & warrantied computer system.


-hh

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