Re: Wowsers!

On May 11, 12:40 am, ZnU <z...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1178865849.989442.148...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Mr X <imouttah...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 10, 12:13 pm, ZnU <z...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1178771672.658467.15...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Mr X <imouttah...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Just got around to installing the Silverlight 1.1 stuff . . .

Both Microsoft and Adobe (with Apollo) are nuts if they think they're
going to take a serious bite out of HTML + JavaScript. Anything
controlled by one company in this way is *not* going to be the future of
the Internet.

I could care less about "the internet" -- it will take care of itself
-- I just prefer:

VisualStudio over XCode/eclipse/etc
C# 3.0 over ObjC/ObjC2, Java6, JavaScript

Um, if you couldn't care less about the Internet, why are you talking
about "Web 2.0 written in C#/.net/VisualStudio 9 deployable on
Safari/FireFox and IE7."

I was talking about the caring less about the "future of the internet"
-- it can take care of itself and 'route around' any damage MS tries
to do to it.

C# is my language of choice. . .

Apparently Microsoft has been putting its best people on the C#, CLR,
and VisualStudio teams.

It has probably been outspending Apple 30 to 1 in these areas, if not
more.

I'm not sure I understand what your point is. You're apparently not
interested in Silverlight's (lack of) importance to the future of the
Web. Do you believe a significant number of developers will stop writing
native OS X applications and develop for Silverlight instead? I
seriously doubt it.

It will strongly kneecap the WHATWG's "Canvas" element for one.

If this were just a me-too JSScript implementation it would be very ho-
hum, but I think many developers are going to be attracted to the
python & ruby bindings, if not C#.

And I do think it will affect OS X development, but as of now I
haven't been able to launch the xaml element from resources embedded
in my project bundle (eg. file:// url . . . I have had to either host
it on localhost (which will be guaranteed available with 10.5 AFAICT),
or on eg. my dotmac host.

I ~think~ the business model for a remote-hosted RIA like this works.
Its plusses are I can live-update the app code and content easily.

These will be interesting platforms for some applications, but all in
all they're almost certainly not going to be much more significant than,
say, Flash. They'll probably mostly get used to implement things that
would have otherwise been done as desktop apps, not things that would
have otherwise been done on the web.

While I agree to a large extent, I find it interesting how Microsoft
is attacking the threat of the cross-platform browser "hole" in its
defenses head-on, with a better embeddable widget to make web
developers' lives easier.

What's slightly baffling is that it took them so long. This would have
been the natural move after stealing the browser market from Netscape.
Instead, Microsoft made minor browser improvements up to IE6 and then,
as nearly as one can tell from the results, disbanded its browser team
for five years.

In the intervening time period, HTML + JavaScript has emerged as the
dominant platform for OS-Independent apps, and the window of opportunity
for a close platform to dominate this market, assuming it ever existed,
is now firmly shut.

IOW, Microsoft squandered most of the strategic advantages of owning the
browser market.

They still own the browser market, as much as Apple owns the digital
music player market at least.

Microsoft is slowly re-inventing Java, is what you're saying. I'd expect
it to turn out a little better, all these years later, but... Java
didn't have nearly the impact on the industry that its early proponents
claimed it would, and it's sort of silly so see some people making all
the same claims again for the new cross-platform middleware products.

hey . . . I'm just ecstatic as a Mac dev that I don't have to go the
JS route to not lock my stuff to the Mac.

Granted, the Mac's probably big enough now to support me easily, but
I've said many times I don't find ObjC/AppKit all that compelling for
the kinds of stuff I do.

I've messed around with mono/Dumbarton but found it lacking.

JavaScript is a bit too slow to write a complicated app in, and
doesn't scale very well.

I've been tempted to go the flex route, but don't particularly like
the language or tools.

I'll know better by Monday how well this C# stack works for me ;) but
so far I like what I see . . .

.

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