Re: Microsoft is in deep trouble and now it is going to die

On Apr 24, 1:53 pm, "John Slade" <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You haven't a clue. That's what the Mac kooks do people. They will
put
up one month's worldwide sales against Microsofts US only sales. They
love
to skew numbers.

Right and the Zune actually has 9% of the US MP3 market as Microsoft
claimed. But when you really look at the claim it comes with a few
caveats.

What does the Zune have to do with this convesation?

So when MS does that they aren't "kooks"?

We were talking
about you incorrect figures of Xbox 360s sold. Oh I see, you're acting like
a child, you get proved wrong and you think bringing up the flop that is the
Zune will get you points. Well it doesn't change the fact that the Xbox 360
has sold over ten million units.

And I guess you were right about the XBox being a money making
venture? I see you have changed your story now....


But I only compared the new console's sales with new consoles. I did not
compare the Xbox sales with Playstation 3 and Wii sales. You seem to have a
reading comprehension problem.

Again *you* brought up the 24 Million XBox's sold....I merely compared
them to 104 Million Playstation 2's sold.


Wow, Microsoft is now resorting to the tactics of the failed dot
coms.....

Yea the failed dot coms like Yahoo and Google. We all see what a
disaster Google was and it used this same model. For years they operated at
a loss then they went public and moved into new areas with the revenue
gained. Now they're one of the biggest "dot coms" out there. I think only
Ebay is bigger.

Yahoo isn't exactly doing too great these days....
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=YHOO

You said that the XBox is a "moneymaking" endeavor.

It is or will be.

Priceless...who is speculating now?

If they sell games to Xbox owners and make money, it
is a moneymaking endeavor. Oh and it did make them a profit from game sales
in one quarter. They most likely will again when Halo 3 comes out and Halo 2
for the PC comes out next month.


In the meantime Apple has been making real money on iPods and wisely
staying out of the console market. I bet you Apple will also make
more money on the iPhone than the measely amount that Microsoft's
mobile division did last year
So now you're lying about your own numbers. Five billion is not that
hard to make up with massive game sell.

Where are these massive game sells on 10 million units? They would
have to make $50,000 per Xbox unit sold.


The playstation
*2* is still profitable for Sony.

That's because of game sales.

You might not know this, but component prices go down over time. The
PS2's component prices have decreased enough for the PS2 itself to
sell at a net profit. The original XBOX never made any money for MS.

The Playstation 2 was sold at a loss when it started out and the massive
game sales have made money

Again you seem to have a problem with your tenses. The XBox did not
make a cumulative profit during its *entire* lifecycle. The
Playstation 2 was profitable and still is.

This is what Microsoft is hoping to do and it
appears to be working because they have big sellers in the game maket. They
have some big releases coming too.

Enough to make $5 *billion*?


I already said the making of money in this industry takes time. How
long did it take the Playstation 2 to make a profit after they sold them at
a loss?

It definately didn't take five years nor did Sony lose *$5 Billion*


Yea and it's not $21 billion in losses is it? Where again did you get
$12 billion in losses from? What publication?

The XBox went on sell before 2004....


How long did it take the Playstation 2 to turn a profit?

Definately didn't take five years. But the Xbox *never* made money
during its *entire* lifecycle.

How long did it take?


Sony was making a profit at least by 2003 partly because of
Playstation 2 sales
http://www.emsnow.com/newsarchives/archivedetails.cfm?ID=567'

It was release in Japan in March of 2000



Even if the Wii outsells the Xbox 360, it doesn't mean that Microsoft
Home and Entertainment division will not turn a profit in the long term.
They sold 24 million Xboxes and Playstation 2 sold 124 million consoles.
However when Halo 2 and other cames came out, they were able to turn a
profit in one quarter. They can do the same thing again. That's what long
term means...

$164 Million profit versys $5 billion in losses. If MS consistently
turns that kind of profit it will take them over 30 quarters just to
make up for the losses.


Apple failed?

Apple claims to have superior hardware and software and yet only have 4%
or 5% of the worldwide computing market. They scrapped their OS and based it
on Unix.

So explain to me why Apple, a publically traded company, should be
concerned with marketshare when it is the second most profitable
computer manufacturer in the world? Why would Apple be concerned
about Dell's 27% marketshare compared to its 5% when it just reported
making over $100 million more than Dell today?


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You do realize they have are the 2nd most profitable

computer manufacturer in the world, as of last quarter, right?

But failed to gain any significant market share.


Why should they care? Again what matters to any company market share
or profit?

Even
if you take away iPod sales they are still 3rd in the world.

In making profits for the small ammount of computers they make. However
they aren't even in the top ten when it comes to computer sales. If I found
the parts to one computer laying on the ground and put them to gether and
sold the compouter for $1000, I'd be the most profitable company on Earth.

Why hasn't Dell, Gateway, Lenova, or ASUS been able to do that then?


and they switched to Unix and put a GUI over it.

So which version of Unix had the MacOS API's, Quicktime, etc.?

Darwin.

Interesting...go to Apple's website and download the latest version of
Darwin (it is available) and see how much code it contains related to
Quicktime, Carbon, Core Services, etc.....

Glad you agree. I just can't wait for you to show the info proving that
Microsoft's Home and Entertainment division had $21 billion in losses.

And you proved that the XBox *is* a moneymaking endeavor?


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