Re: XP: Cool feature with a weakness

On 14/4/07 4:21 PM, in article C245DD27.7D333%SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Snit" <SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Wally" <wally@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
C246AA4D.323B9%wally@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 4/14/07 12:57 AM:


Um, Wally... with all your nit picking, lying, claims that you are blind to
Steve's dishonesty and your other long winded babbling you forgot to really
make any meaningful point other, perhaps, than to show you are trying to be
as stupid and dishonest as he is.

The points are still in all my posts Snit! go at it tear them apart..I dare
you!

Why not just show your ignorance in the very post I am responding to.... no
need to dig!

In the end my view does not change one whit:

it is not a good thing for a non-admin user to be able to
mess with other users on either OS X or XP...

They cannot!

Why did you feel that you had to alter exactly what I said Snit? Let me
guess, just indicating just how honest and honorable you really are?...

I actually wrote...

"They cannot! unless you consider having specific settings stick after a
restart 'messing with'? I do not!"-Wally

Wow big difference now Snit! pretty obvious why you moved it! ROTFLMAO!


Not on OS X... not as far as I know anyway. Yet Carroll claims otherwise.
I had noted about XP machines in a lab:

Here is the weakness: I can change the orientation from my
user account, even a non-Admin, and the orientation will
stay altered even when I log out...

As I discussed that, Steve stated:

Do you have any thoughts on the fact that, at least in the case I
described, a non-Admin user can alter settings for other users?
As can they alter settings on a Mac. Big f*cking deal.

Where is the problem? You have agreed that one user can alter the settings
and have then stick for multiple users on a Mac!
In the case of Black on White/White on Black settings they could as Steve
described be used as a bit of a joke!

But, as you note above,

Not when it is read exactly as I wrote it, before your creativity Snit!

on OS X a user cannot do that.

Of course they can! as long as the proviso that Steve mentioned is met!

"A person logging back in to that account......"-Steve Carroll

Steve was simply
wrong. Steve also said, of OS X:

I can, from a user account, hold down the control, option
and Apple keys on a modern Mac while pressing the number 8
and it will "screw with" others (who may want to run
graphics apps or whatever)... and it'll stay that way when I
log out. There is no video card in this equation... but I
guess you'll say it's OK due to the 'consistency'. LOL!

But, again, Steve is wrong, at least based on all accounts from others - if
a user presses the control+option+command+8 and goes to "black on white"
mode, the effect does not carry over to the login screen.

To quote Steve...
"Big f*cking deal"
Nor does the Desktop pattern!
Why are you so preoccupied with the log in screen anyway?

unless you consider having specific settings stick after a
restart 'messing with'? I do not!

Nor do I. Nor have I suggested I did. That is your mistaken (and ignorant)
insinuation.

The point being that "having specific settings stick after a restart" is
part of OS X the fact that it only becomes apparent after log in
meaningless, as up to that point the user has little control anyway other
than typing a username!


at least in some cases on XP this does happen (stock standard Dells,
for example)

Settings stick on XP just as they do on OS X?.....WOW!

As noted above, they act differently: on OS X the settings do not carry over
to the login screen.

So this weakness in XP that you have decided is there is the fact that it
seems to alert the user at a point prior to the point that OS X does of
certain settings!
Is that really a weakness? As I said, until after login the user can't do
anything anyway, so why is it a weakness?

but there is no reputable example of this *ever*
happening with OS X.

You have stated that you have not tried it on XP switching users,

"I did not test to see if it carried over to other users. "-Snit

therefore you must be talking about the same account!

No. You are simply wrong... will you admit to it?

So you lied, and you have tried it on switching users?


anyone can do as I did and try it on their Mac and they will get the same
result as I did...that sounds reputable to me!

Do you now see where you comments are not on topic? The question is not
about persistence of settings from one login to another... you simply have
not understood the debate!

Not about one login to another Snit?, you said...

"OS X has the settings persist from one login to the next... just as I have
said and you, Sandman, and anyone else with a moderate amount of experience
with OS X will likely agree with..."-Snit

So you are comparing OS X to XP by talking about one login to another on OS
X but not on XP? That's a bit one sided don't you think Snit? :-)


If, however, some Macs have the flaw

What flaw?

Do you now understand that the flaw in question is or do you remain ignorant
still?

The real flaw is that you have condemned XP for an action simply because it
alerts the user at a point before that which OS X does, frankly after login
suits me just fine, but if XP or whatever wants to implement it earlier...so
what!

Steve claims they do then, yes, I would note it as a flaw...
there simply would be no reason not to.

I seriously doubt you or your co-trolls will be able to change my mind on
that... no matter how much you troll and lie. Good luck trying!

Arguing with you is not about changing your mind Snit...after all that would
entail you admitting it! are you serious? ROTFL!

Your trolling is noted, but remember I have been very specific about how I
would test what Steve claimed and comment on it:

By altering what he says just as you have done to my post Snit! oh yes have
no fear I know how you would do it!

if it turns out that Steve
is right and that on newer Macs the black-on-white setting is applied to the
login screen

Where has Steve said that the login screen was of any consequence Snit?
See what I mean about you altering exactly what *was* said Snit? LOL!

when it is set from a non-admin

What happened to ...
From your OP...

"Here is the weakness: I can change the orientation from my user account,
even a non-Admin, and the orientation will stay altered even when I log
out..."-Snit

Now you wish to specify a "non-admin" account?
See Steve did called it correctly!

"My prediction... Snit will change the criteria from his OP:......

.......Watch for the conditions regarding 'accounts' that will undoubtedly
appear that stray from this 1st post;)"-Steve Carroll

I will openly admit that the
newer Macs share a similar weakness with the XP machines in question.

You have demonstrated no weakness in either OS!

Why would you think otherwise, Wally,

Because..... You have demonstrated no weakness in either OS! Snit.

other than the fact you are a very, very
poor judge of character and you frequently feel the need to lie about me and
troll and flame me.

I have no 'needs' concerning you Snit!

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