Re: Apple gives away its unfair advantage in digital entertainment.

In article <1175799939.269017.47160@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 5, 1:03 pm, "Karl Thomas" <thomas_ka...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 4, 11:21 am, "Edwin" <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Apr 4, 3:08 am, "KDT" <scarface...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, "Edwin" <thorn...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 3, 3:20 pm, nospam <nospamat...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Steve de Mena wrote:
James Davis wrote:
I think the best thing about today's announcement of DRM free
music is
that as Apple completely takes over digital entertainment in the
living room no one will ever be able to say that their success
came
from monopoistic practices. It will be undisputable that they
won
simply by making the most enjoyable products.

Do most MP3 players play Apple's AAC format?

They'll have to now, won't they?! And there won't be much point in
continuing support for WMA or whatever they are currently calling
their
drm crap.

So Apple "giving up" its unfair advantage amounts to them extorting
AAC licensing fees out of other mp3 player makers? LOL

You are a special kind of ignorant....

The "special kind" that means I know something and you don't...

Edwin, you are the one claiming that Apple licenses AAC....not me.

It still requires licensing no matter who licenses it. I'll assume
KDT and Karl Thomas are one and the same.

But your claim that Apple was "extorting AAC licensing fees out of other
mp3 makers" was what, Edwin? Come on, you can say it!



"It is specified both as Part 7 of the MPEG-2 standard, and Part 3 of
the MPEG-4 standard. As such, it can be referred to as MPEG-2 Part 7
and MPEG-4 Part 3 depending on its implementation, however it is most
often referred to as MPEG-4 AAC, or AAC for short."

AAC is licensed by the same consortium that licenses MP3.

"However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or
developers of AAC codecs. [4] It is for this reason FOSS
implementations such as FAAC and FAAD are distributed in source form
only, in order to avoid patent infringement."

No one ever said that AAC is open source. Just that it has never been
an Apple format.

It's never been "licensed by the same consortium that licenses MP3"
either, in spite of your claim to the contrary.

And it also isn't licensed by Apple, is it?




"AAC requires a patent license, and thus uses proprietary technology.
But contrary to popular belief, it is not the property of a single
company, having been developed in a standards-making organization."

What part of "consortium" implies a single a company?

If you want to question my quoted material, take it up with the author
of the quote.

I'd like to question your claim that Apple was "extorting license fees"
of out anyone: was that correct or incorrect?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding

"Microsoft said it believes that it properly licensed MP3 technology
from Fraunhofer, paying that company $16 million. Fraunhofer, which
helped develop the MP3 compression technology along with Lucent's Bell
Labs, has licensed its intellectual property to companies that want to
use the audio format in their products. Fraunhofer has since handed
the MP3-licensing duties over to Thomson. "

And this has what do to with your comment that Apple licenses AAC?

It has to do with your comment that "AAC is licensed by the same
consortium that licenses MP3." It's not.

But the whole sub-thread has to do with your claim that Apple is
"extorting license fees" for AAC.

They're not.



http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6161480.html

IOW, your claim "AAC is licensed by the same consortium that licenses
MP3" is just plain... wait for it... ignorant.

The article you cited says absolutely nothing about AAC. Let me do
your work for you.....

It says something about MP3 which contradicts your claim: "AAC is
licensed by the same consortium that licenses MP3."

But more importantly, it contradicts your original claim.


AAC is licenced by Via Licensing (aka Dolby).

But not by "the same consortium that licenses MP3."

And not by Apple.


MP3 is licenced by Thomson

Which makes your claim "AAC is licensed by the same consortium that
licenses MP3" completely wrong.

And your claim that Apple is "extorting license fees" for a technology
that they don't own utterly wrong.


Funny how you didn't get it even after you claimed to be "doing the
work for me."

Funny how you still haven't got it...


....wait...

....you *do* get it and you're now desperately trying to deflect
attention away from the fact that you were wrong...

...again!

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