Re: Who needs AppleTV?

In article <1174316998.724158.96830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

He clearly said "about a second" and he was clearly right.

He said one second. He changed it to "about one second" after he got
nailed to the wall.

I said "about one second" long before you started to drag up specs of unrelated hard drives. This has been shown to you.

You insisted for ages that such a time was simply impossible for hard
drives and put forward that 30 seconds was closer to being correct.

You're lying again. I gave the best figures I could find for HD
spin up times and invited Sandman to post better figures. It took
months for technology to catch up with his lies and let him finally
post a 1.7 second time.

2002-04-14
Edwin posts the post "Hibernation revisited"
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dda7e5c8f24963fd>

2002-04-15
My first post in that thread
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7cfef1af6dd0fb93>
"If I was stuck with a solution that kept my laptop inoperable for
-THIRTY- seconds everytime I open the lid, I'd be really
disappointed in Apple. In MacOS 9, wake-up times was alot longer,
and with OSX, they are a second."

2002-04-15
Same day, third post from me in that thread:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2a3df2947d8dba44>
"Are you actually trying to claim that a Mac laptop won't wake
from sleep in about a second?"

Edwins response to this was:

"Again, you don't know the difference between screen blanking
and sleep."

Here you are claiming that when a Mac wakes from sleep in "about a second",
it's screen blanking, not sleep. This was before I sent you the video file.
This is part of a thread were I -did- say "one second" as well, which you
claimed was wrong, I also said "about a second", which you didn't agree with.
From the same discussion:

    > *sigh* When you close the lid of a Mac laptop, it instantenously
    > goes down into deep sleep. Spins down the HDD and shuts everything
    > down. Waking from this state takes about a second on a Mac laptop.
    > This is the truth and it's a fact. You may want to support your
    > position with some evidence if you want to argue otherwise.

    You just shot down your own argument.   Hard disks don't spin up
    in a second.

That's you responding that hard disks doesn't spin up in a second, when I
clearly said "about a second". At the time, you werent' arguing with "one
second" versus "about a second", you were arguing about sleep taking 10-20
seconds to wake from:

   > Luckily, for you, sleep works for Windows PC's too. How anyone can argue
   > that sleep is unnecessary when there is a solution that takes 30 times as
   > long to wake up from is beyond med.

   You like to say "30 times as long" as if 30 seconds were so much longer
   than the 10 -20 seconds it takes to return from sleep.

Here you're claiming that waking from sleep takes 10-20 seconds, not 1.8
seconds, not "about a second".
You have never admitted that Mac laptops wake in about a second. You have only
tried to claim that since I was off by 0.8 seconds, you were right, when you in
fact claimed a HD takes 10-20 or even 30 seconds to wake from sleep!

    "The fact a hard drive needs 30 seconds to spin up is a physical
     limitation of the HD, it's not 'Mac bashing."
        -- Edwin

The thing is, of course, that 1.0 and 1.8 seconds are so damn close that anyone
that didn't look up the specs could easily estimate the time to a second. It's
not like YOU could have measured it to 1.8 seconds when observing the Mac wake
from sleep. But you never claimed that my PB woke up in 1.8 seconds in my video
- you claimed it didn't wake up -at all-! You claimed it merely blanked it
screen. This was of course wrong on your part, but you never admitted to that
either.

Do you plan on putting up another bogus video on your Web site to
"prove" your lies? I ask for information only.

His video wasn't bogus, Edwin.

Yes it was, liar. It couldn't have shown the one second time he
claimed it did. It couldn't have even shown 1.7 second, as that's
the time that came months, if not a year or more, after the argument
started.

Haha! The Hard drive was the same drive, Edwin. :-D

As even you have to admit now that you
agree that hard drives can spin up in about a second.

I said from the start I would have never argued in the first place if
he had said "about a second."

So why did you?



--
Sandman[.net]
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