Re: Microsoft tells MVPs ³We¹re in it to win² Really?
- From: "-hh" <recscuba_google@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:04:04 -0700
<gimme_this_gimme_t...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jim,
I agree with you, although I think live.com is as good as
search.google when it comes to search. If it's slower I don't notice
it.
I challenge you to find a topic where live.com is worse than
search.google.com.
Try searching each for images on "huntzinger.com"
There are some things that SUCK about Google:
1. On groups.google.com you can't put posters into a kill file.
True enough...but then again, since we're supposedly comparing Google
to Live.com, the latter doesn't even offer any searching/reading of
USENET at all, let alone a web interface by which one can post to
USENET. As such, even a poor interface is better than none.
2. You can't complain about spamming and newsgroup abuse. (You can
complain but nothing happens.)
Actually, I happen to be aware of one individual who has gotten a
couple of his Google accounts banned, due to TOS violations. It would
appear that Google has set the flag for the minimum number of
registered complaints quite high - probably 100 or higher? - before
they bother to do anything about any irritating individual.
3. On groups.google.com you can't post a message having a html mime
type, so you can see images.
Since all non-binary USENET groups are **supposed to be** text only,
this "can't" is actually a feature, not a flaw.
Here's an example of what you can't do on groups.google.com but
you can do from webtv (a M$ company)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.alice-cooper/browse_frm/thre...
Since alt.music.alice-cooper is a *discussion* group, this would
traditionally mean that posting a binary (photo) is something you're
not supposed to do. As such, I find it hard to agree that a software
tool that happens to permit you to do something that you're not
supposed to do is something that we should consider to be a
"feature".
And FWIW, if you haven't noticed, Google does not support any of the
USENET binaries groups. As such, they don't need to offer the
feature.
4. Another thing I don't like is that the mechanism that summarizes a
post's headers can be manipulated. Sometimes liberal people at google
manipulate the message summaries as well. In other words, don't post
on a gay newsgroup because they'll manipulate the message summaries to
make it look like you're a pro gay activist.
I haven't noticed this, although I've not looked for it. Be
interested in hearing a bit more about it.
5. Here some issues I've noted previously:
A. What live.com misses is a compelling reason for users to stay on
the site once they've get search results. No Usenet. No email. No
blogging.
And so what? I use weather.com frequently, but I don't even know if
it offers blogs or whatever, since I've never even looked, nor do I
believe that I'd be all that inclined to do so. As such, its probably
a feature that I simply do not happen to need.
B. Since the '80s M$'s business plan has been to force it's vision of
the future onto it's users. If you follow roughlydrafted you'd laugh
that that's an understatement. Still, that's a plan that's made a lot
of money for them. But this plan keeps them from being innovative.
Correct, and it may perhaps be the reason for:
http://www.huntzinger.com/robots.txt
C. Since M$ has ignored the podcasters and videopodcaster community, M
$ enthusiasts don't have a platform, like iTunes, to share ideas. The
only thing that comes close are public blogs written by M$ employees.
The closest they have to that are the MVPs who do a great job for M$
Office. Strangely, users are corresponding to the MVP's through
groups.google.com. Not through M$ products like OE out Outlook.
Windows applications like Thunderbird download a lot of crap onto your
machine.
As per recent converstaions with MVPS, it IMO appears that many of
them donate their time simply for the gratification of getting
'insider' information and the _belief_ that their voices have some
degree of legitimacy which allows their suggestions to be more
seriously considered. Overall, I think that MS gets more tangible
financial benefit out of their freewill donations than what most of
them really realize, since it means that they don't need to pay for as
many IT folks on 800#'s in India (or whereever).
-hh
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