Re: Cult Of Mac Members List


"EarthSchol" <earthsch@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"John Slade" <hhitman86@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Actually when I came here I was looking to see what was new in the
Mac
world. All I got was venom, lies and bull*** from the kooks in here. I
saw
lots of lies being told and totally delusional people. I have to set them
straight. As a user fo Apple computers myself, I knew they were lying.

I think you'll find among all platforms, Apple users are the most
informed, most honest.

Actually I found that while most computer users in general don't know a
lot of the technical stuff. However I found that Mac users tend to be the
most clueless. Just my experience in 20+ years of computers. Back in the
early 80s to the early 90s, most people didn't have home computers. The vast
majority of home PC users who had them were much more tech savy than the
home users these days. Then when the home computer revolution hit, Apple
computers had a simplistic OS. Many of us tech called Macs "toy computers".
Only in the late 90s were Apple computers taken seriously by many people in
the industry.

Sure there are a few that stretch the truth, but
I haven't seen any of that here in this group. Most are just well
informed, perhaps that is what you take issue with?

Actually I find most Mac users in here to be informed. But informed by
whom and about what. I find that most are informed by Apple's web site and
other pro Mac/OS X web entities. They parrot the same old misinformation and
outright lies like religious dogma.


Unlike YOU, I don't go to Windows NG's and bash Macs like you, a
Windows
user, comes to this Mac NG, to bash Macs and Apple. That makes you the
crazy one slade.

I don't bash the Mac. I tell the truth about it's security holes and
flaws. I also point out Apple's mistakes.

So far, there have been no security holes in OS X systems.

There have been numerous security holes in OS X. Apple has issued a
lot of patches and there are a lot more patches to come. Now can you tell me
who told you or wear you read there were no security holes in OS X? I've
never heard this from anyone except the misinformed and the clueless. Now if
we can locate your source we can nip this tall tale in the bud. I'm sure
Apple would want people to know about the holes so they can patch them.

Only
"possible" exploits which of course have never materialized.

And some of those holes have been exploited. On one web site, all a
Mac user had to do is open a picture and a virus-trojan hybrid was
installed.

It's fair
to say OS X is the most secure OS sold today. Yes, Apple makes mistakes,
but they are far fewer than any other pc company.

No it wouldn't be fair since it has so many security holes that would
allow users to run arbitrary code without any permissions. It is not as
secure as Linux or Windows XP as more critical security holes have been
found in OS X than Windows XP.


What a bold-faced fabrication. It's obvious you don't read what you
write, have little or no conscience and a few other things.

No you see that anyone who uses Windows or PCs other than the Mac
clones
as the enemy. You're crazy and brainwashed. You see what you are told to
see
by your black clothed cult leader Jobs.

Mac clones haven't been made for about a decade now,

I'm not talking about Mac clones. I'm talking about the PC. "PC" is
a newer term for "PC clone". Both of these terms refer to computers that use
Intel CPUs. Some folk think that it means running Windows and that's cool.
However I still call them PCs if they run Linux, DOS or OS X. Apple has said
they make PCs now. The Mac has become a clone according to Apple. It's only
the truly brainwashed and crazy cult members who will go through all sorts
of intellectual hoops to rewrite history and claim Macs aren't PCs. That's
the Cult of Mac I'm talking about.

Trust me. I've been a computer tech for about 20 years and Macs are
truly PCs now.

Also in this group are people who while on Usenet get ignored and
change their name and use other hosts to talk to people who've ignored them.

I just like Windows
a lot because it does so much and is very compatible. It's compatible
because Bill Gates and the others at MS made it easy for game makers
and
app
makers to write for Windows. Direct X and other things make it easier.

You're more than allowed to feel that way and have that opinion, I
don't
care.

It's more of a fact than an opinion. Those standards and software
put
out by MS has crated standards on Windows computers and those standards
have
made software creation easier. Thus Windows is massively popular. If
Apple
did something similar, they could also be popular.

Windows is only popular because IBM was the de facto standard for so
long, that older generation still clings to that standard even though
Microsoft unfairly stole it from IBM. Most of the newer generations grow
up with Apple as the standard, so Windows really doesn't matter long
term.

Windows is popular because it was better and easier to use than
competing operating systems. I don't know if you were using computers when
Windows 3.11 was around but when Windows 95 came out, it was a quatum leap
in usability. It was fast, and it had many new features. Thus it became
popular. Now Apple if it was so good could have competed with Windows 3.11
and Windows 95 on the PC. But they decided to go their own way and by some
miracle they stayed in business. However developers and users were
salavating over Windows 95 and that's when Windows exploded and left Mac OS
in the dust.

I beg to differ on you claim that OS X or the Mac is the standard. Macs
make up about 4% of the worldwide computer base. Windows makes up about 90%.
How can anyone say that kids are growing up these days with the Mac as the
standard?


I do care when you come here, not being a Mac user of any note with a
near current Mac and Tiger, trying to sell your bias. That crap is the
objectionable part, not your liking of Windows/MS and so on.

You're crazy. I have a currnt version of Tiger and have used it
quite
a bit and find that while it's OK, Windows XP and 2000 is better in my
opinion. I can come in here and say what I want. You are a clueless nut.

Windows is better if you have low standards - which by default, most of
the population does.

Now you see, you're trying to claim that people who use Windows aren't as
smart as you are and you have better standards. That just isn't true. That's
an opinion and opinions are not facts in most cases. There are tons of
people who are very tech savy and consider Macs to be hobby computers and
not serious business comuters. Hell the best business software on Macs is MS
Office. That should tell you something right there.

I always thought just to trick the market, Apple
should release a buggy, poorly crafted version of OSX,

They did. I suggest you look at the patches Apple has released that fix
bugs and critical security issues.

that way they
could attract the people that don't understand computing and "think" it
should be problem filled to be the "best". Apple of course won't lower
itself to the lower classes, so unless they know how to deal with money,
they will be stuck with Windows for awhile.

Oh so you think Windows users are of a lower class. Ok it's settled
you're Cult of Mac kook. Apple tried to "lower" itself by offering a cheap
Mac in the Mini and the iMac. Thought he iMac is a lot more expensive than
faster more robust PCs. Actually if you want to deal with money, there are
lots of good money management programs for Windows. I just can't beleive
you're comparing Macs to PCs in the business world.

It seem that people would rather get "stuck" with Linux over OS X as
Linux is more popular than OS X in the business world. OS X is the server
software of choice more than OS X is. You just don't know.


Wouldn't matter. With your bias you still wouldn't listen because the
Mac has most of what you "Claim" you want save for some of the niche
apps and a few other things like blade servers.

I've gotten into the same kind of arguments over the truth with
Amiga,
Linux and Unix users. Usually they can respect reason. However when I
talk
to you kook Mac cultists, you will lie and keep spreading the lies and
myths
when it's obvious they're not true. That's why I call you guys loony and
you're one of the main ones.

Mac / Apple users have always set the course of all development, so
arguing with them is pointless.

No they have not. Not always. Mac and Apple users have contributed. The
last major innovation on the Mac was Firewire and even that was available to
PCs at about the same time. These days the development in power has been
developed for the PC market. You know the Wintel market. That means Windows
and Intel. Intel has set the standard so high that Apple switched to it.
Also over the years PCs had AGP, DDR memory, PCI, SATA and USB. These are
things that were not on Apples but they got so popular and so advanced on
PCs Apple put them in Macs. So arguing with them is a way to inform them
they're absolutely wrong.

Whatever Apple does, will be the
standard going forward, so it's best to mock them if you want to compete
against them.

What ever Apple does will be the standard? LOL. Yea right the Mac is a
PC now. Have you looked in one lately? They adopted everything that PCs
advanced for the last eight years. Where have you been?


What you so easily dismiss is that Mac users are satisfied and happy
with their choice, productive in what they do with their Macs and so
on.

So are Linux and Unix users. Why don't I get the same kooky
statements
about "superior Mac hardware" and other myths?

Unix and Linux is a tiny fraction of OSX.

Umm I hate to inform you of this but OS X is Unix. Linux is more popular
than OS X in the business world. Linux has about 3% market share compared to
4% for OS X. Where are you getting your info from? Just curious.

Everyone agrees Apple builds
the best unix based hardware, that's been true for many years.

What the hell is Unix based hardware? Unix is software. You mean Unix
based software don't you? The best Unix based software is Solaris or
anything besides OS X. OS X Server is ok for the business world but it still
isn't that popular. I also wan to know what you mean by many years as OS X
is Apple's frist truly Unix OS and it's been out for seven years. That is
not many years. They might have had some Unix like software with OS 9 but it
was not unix and even so that would not be many years.

Linux
users are typically the mobile home crowd in the subset of OSX. Unix in
general goes all the way up the scale, most of the internet is based on
Unix, so it's only a matter of time before Apple hardware becomes the
basis of the internet.

Mobile home crowd? LOL you're absolutely wrong. Linux has the capacity
to be just as popular as Unix and Windows has the ability to be more popular
than both of them. Apple hardware is now based on Intel CPUs and there are
more robust forms of Unix than OS X.

The xServe is unbeatable in terms of
cost/performance, BUT, the ignorant IT shops know they will lose
10,000's of jobs if a better Apple solution is installed, so they are
kinda like windows users in the fact that they fear Apple as the Samson
of our age.

The people who use xServe will have the same amount of people working
for them to keep those systems runnnig. The ones that use Unix on PCs have
very stable systems and those tens of thousands of jobs are mostly there to
do updates and putting files on and off servers. They're designing web pages
and many other things. The staff that actually fixes the stuff is very small
or outsourced. It's pretty clear you don't have a clue.



That eats at you > think is better. It bothers you so much, you're
obsessed with >the need
to bash those who don't like *your choice* in platforms.

I bash any fool who is so brainwashed they don't know the truth from
a
lie, fact from fiction.

You kinda seem bitter about the changes Apple is bringing to all levels
of the market John. Is there a mental problem you have? Do you need
medicine? It seems so, since your comments aren't not valid in the least.

I'm not pissed about anything. Apple is not changing the market, the
market changed Apple as far as computers go. You do know they switched to PC
hardware right?

John


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