Re: In the Shallow End
- From: "Dan Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:13:12 -0700
"ZnU" <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
In article <12dn8sqevkfh43b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Dan Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Your definition of "deep" frankly seems entirely arbitrary. This is
me saying, well, everything Microsoft is doing with .NET now isn't
interesting, because they implemented the CLI years ago.
Hmmm. I'm drawing a line between "shallow" UI and
"deep" infrastructure. Is that so arbitrary?
Somewhat. I would say Core Animation, since it is, after all, an
operating system API, is on the infrastructure side, but you evidently
I am not sure about CoreAnimation. It may indeed be
deep; or it may just be publishing some of the deep
work done in Jaguar to developers somewhat belatedly.
So naturally I post before this becomes clear, so
I can put the worst spin on it. You can thank me
But it's hard to believe they'd not pad the Leopard Preview
with something this cool, if they could demo it or even
promise it. They really needed to have something.
The entire point of the feature is that it's invisible; it produces
exactly the same results as software rendering. Not exactly great
demo material, compared with e.g. Core Animation.
The change is supposed to be mere performance, yes.
But Apple has never been afraid to demo that. Performance
bake-offs are a regular feature of Steve's keynotes.
Even if it isn't ready for that, they could have promised it.
They promised 64-bit app support, and that's not visible,
[snip- resolution independant UI]
No; this feature is *most certainly* not working in Tiger. Not
even for stuff like the Finder; visual glitches everywhere.
The feature in the graphics engine works. Applications, including
bundled ones, aren't updated in Tiger.
I don't know what you mean here; Quartz has long been able
to do scaling. But even things like the title bars and menu
bars do not draw right today in Tiger, if you use this feature;
this is UI framework stuff, not apps.
Maybe we didn't see a Leopard demo because demoing it would require
revealing other Leopard features Apple doesn't want to show anyone yet.
(Like the new Finder that's likely in the works.)
Remotely possible. It may be that none of the apps they
did show support resolution independant UI yet. Yes
I would have thought something could be arranged for
a demo. At least still screenies carefully cropped. You
could probably manage that with todays Tiger
OTOH, had they a new Finder they could show, I think
they'd have shown it. I don't buy the "MS will delay Vista
*again* just to annoy Apple" line.
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