Re: Nothing new or exciting in Leopard

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:14:12 -0700, Snit <SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

"Dan Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
12dnarq6rmhubd4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 8/11/06 5:58 AM:

"Snit" <SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Dan Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
12dn7mfmch1l1eb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 8/11/06 5:04 AM:

From the screenies, it appears to have almost exactly the same UI as it ever
did, and it seems to still combine news and mail into one "monolith".

My mistake - I was thinking it had a calendar, etc.

No. This is one area where OS X scores over Windows XP; XP has no calendar
app. You can buy one of course, but nothing is bundled.

Why buy a Calendar app for XP? They are given away for free by many
file developers. For instance, the Calendar addon for Firefox.

But just so you will know, Vista also includes a full-featured
Calendar app. And it is much like iCal. But I assure you, Apple did
NOT come up with the FIRST Calendar app. They are pretty much one of
the FIRST applications which were written for computers, by almost ALL
developers, no matter WHAT platform they wrote for.

So, who copied whom? They ALL copied each other, and the FIRST
developers. Microsoft had a calendar application for years before
iCal was written. Remember Schedule+?


Fair enough

[snip]
Mac OS X *doesn't have this feature*. They actually mentioned, in the
keynote, that they might do something like this- some kind of
Spotlight-based app launcher capability.

I was talking the general file search.

So you should; but Betrand compared OS X's file search with
Vista's Start Menu. That was lame.

He was looking at the file search *in* Vista's Start Menu

[snip]
You keep saying it, but you're not making a good case for it.

How much evidence do you need? Maybe the webcam of the photocopier they
used?

How about "any evidence"? :D

C'mon. It's out there. Vista did borrow some ideas.

But Maccies often just insist that *everything* is a copy,
and that's silly. That's what Betrand did in the Keynote,
and it was a mistake.

I disagree. I welcome evidence. :)

[snip]
Being round? Is that all you saw in the aqua bubble? If so I suggest an
iTest. :)

It's round, but it doesn't look like an Aqua widget at all.

Naw, just a round, bubbly, transparent, blue-ish... um, Aqua-y look to it.

It's almost black, with a violet tinge.

It isn't transparent.

Um, it is. You can see the Windows logo "behind" it.

It is round; Aqua widgets are lozenges.

Incorrect.

Heck, most of the Aqua stuff is lozenge shaped, not circular.

Ah, yes, MS was very innovative. Wait... what about the close, minimize,
zoom widgets? Oops.

Jesus, man, now you idiots are arguing about the shape of a control
and its color. What nonsense! Who even gives a damn? I certainly
don't. And most people who use their computers every day also don't.
Only MacIdiots, apparently.

Microsoft has NEVER had a so-called "zoom widget" (as you call it.) We
call it the "Maximize button". Having a "Close", "Minimize", and
"Maximize" button is rather generic. Almost all OSes have them, in
one form or another. So who copied whom? And, does it really matter?
Of course not. But only to Macdroids, apparently.


Another case of Apple copying Microsoft. :D

Aqua has those three wigets, where Windows 95 has
minimize/maximize/close. But before Win95, Apple
was using close on one side, zoom on the other, and
no minimization at all. The Windowblind button came
later.

Please do not use the registered trademark of Stardock's GUI
customization program for Windows 9x/XP/2k to describe an Apple
function. I don't believe they would be very happy if they learned
you used it without giving them credit.

The Windows "close", "minimize", and "maximize" BUTTONS are NOT
"widgets". They are WINDOWS controls, built into the GUI. EVERY
window in Microsoft Windows has these three "buttons". They aren't
ADDITIONS to the OS. Little "programs" added ON TOP to make the GUI
easier to use, which are what Apple Widgets are, and have ALWAYS been.
Microsoft Windows controls are PART AND PARCEL of the GUI, and within
the Win32 API, they are PRIMITIVE objects.


Apple, to their detriment, did copy this from Windows. Yes.

Why "detriment", if they are USEFUL to the users? I can't believe
Macdroids hate Microsoft so much, that they would feel GUILTY for
using a control which Microsoft has always used, even if it makes
their work easier!!! But they did NOT originate with either Microsoft
OR Apple. Even the GEM desktop had buttons to control opening and
closing windows. Even the Amiga OS had such buttons. Even UNIX has
had such controls, and LONG before Apple came along.

Such controls are pretty GENERIC to ALL "windowed" Oses.

What a bunch of jerks you MacIdiots are!


[snip]
Bertrand has good delivery, but it's still a very weak comparison.

How are you measuring this?

He has good delivery because he could make an audience
laugh at a pretty lame joke. :D

[snip]
Time Machine is incremental backup; shipping in XP from the beginning,
not >> to mention every other respectable OS.

Snit and the rest of the MacIdiots refuse to recognize the concept of
"Generic programs and controls".


Who else allows a user to get data back not just from the file-metaphor but
from the application level?

That just makes absolutely no sense at all.


The Time Machine UI is indeed whizzy, and it's the only
thing about the tool that is even interesting.

I am not talking just the "whizzy" UI. I am talking functionality.

"Functionality", sir, is in the eye of the user, not the OS. If it
works for me, it is "functional". I don't really care WHAT OS has a
"functional" control or program. Just as long as they WORK.


But as near as I can tell, the whizzy UI only works for
applications that act as file browsers. Perhaps more is
coming, but the ability to restore parts of documents
does not seem likely with this UI.

It restores all of the file, not parts. And you may be right about it only
working with programs that act as file browsers... or at least some thing
similar to that (address info browsers and the like).

Windows Restore has nothing to do with "Back Up". It "backs up" only
Registry sets, not programs or data. To back up in Windows, use a
back up program, such as Microsoft "Back Up"? Gee, I wonder where
they got THAT name from? Certainly not from Apple. Does it really
matter? Of course not. Where ever they got it, they got it fair and
square. Microsoft PAYS for their technologies, or they DEVELOP them
themselves.

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