Re: In the Shallow End



Dan Johnson wrote:

"Snit" <SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:C0FFDE9E.5918C%SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Dan Johnson" <danieljohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> stated in post
12dkq351tr11d9c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 8/10/06 7:00 AM:

The poster child here is "Time Machine", which is simply
an incremental backup program. It's claim to fame is a
whizzy- but terribly overwrought- UI. That UI is very Apple.

Easy to use. Something to encourage average users to make backups. Clever
and well done, though perhaps the UI is resource intensive.


If it's done with Quartz Compositor it should be pretty
zippy. But easy to use? Well, we'll see.


But that is the high point of Leopard so far.

One of the several high points they have talked about. And they have openly
admitted the have more to show.


Steve's bizzare claim that he must keep all the good
features secret from MS lest they be copied is... well,
just silly.

No it isn't. Many companies practice keeping secrets from their competitors before releasing their products.

MS has no more time for copying; they
have slipped Vista already and they need to ship.


But if they see something in Leopard that will help sell Vista, they'll copy it and delay their launch of Vista.

No. Whatever other features Apple has are either
in such poor shape that Steve could not demo them,
or in danger of being cut so that Steve dared not
promise them.

Just your speculation. So far, Apple has delivered and it isn't hard to do under a unix o/s.



There are other minor utilities, some no doubt welcome, bits of cross-app
integration and the like. This all has value but it's terribly, embarassingly
shallow.

Did you expect a free flowing Champaign port on every machine?


No. But I expect Steve to show something interesting
for each release of OS X, something that isn't
commonplace on other OSes already.


He did. Web Widgets for example.

This time, Apple went into the shallow end and
came back with features everyone else has already,
pretty much.


Such as?

Time-machine? Not in the usual way it is done. Under VMS it is much more difficult to do and the backups are usually elsewhere.

Spaces? Not in the usual way that is done say under CDE, HP/UX, or Tru-64 UNIX. Added and extended functionality beyond the above mentioned.

Apple has made it simpler to do.


It's a bit like Tiger in its emphasis on user-level utility
applets and such- but Tiger went deeper. Spotlight had
some filesystem-level components, where Time Machine
has not.

Time machines does.


There's no evidence of this yet, and the descriptions
I've read for how this thing works involve nothing more
exotic than hard links and fsevents.


But you yourself do not have the inside skinny to know, so you are just hoping and speculating that this isn't true.


--
Where are we going?
And why am I in this handbasket?
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