Re: Al Gore Gets Global Warming Science Right According To Experts

Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
On 30 Jun 2006 14:57:02 -0700, "Edwin" <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:


Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:38:59 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

In article
<gmgraves-6EAF2F.00360528062006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <pan.2006.06.28.03.20.23.556980@xxxxxxxx>,
TheLetterK <non@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:40:52 +0000, Warchild wrote:

In article <ks2dnVCl0Z7bfTzZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"John" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/27/gore.science.ap/index.html

Al Gore is not relaying a theory that he whipped up on his own.
The theory on the origin of global warming have been around for
the past fifty years.

More like 30-40. 50 years ago, they were more worried about
global cooling.

The difference now is that we are now actually being
impacted by the consequences of global warming, and that even
if we act now, we will still be suffering for many decades to
come. If we fail to act, we will be suffering much worse.

The problem is that no one has a workable plan for doing
anything useful.

That's because there is NO useful plan and even if there were
one, it would take decades to put into effect. The world simply
cannot just stop producing CO2. There is no technology or,
indeed, set of technologies, on earth that could be implemented
quickly enough or thoroughly enough to counter global warming IF
it is caused by human activity. And if it's not caused by human
activity, there's nothing we can do but ride it out.

Nuclear power. It's reasonably cheap, we know how to do it, and
unlike solar or wind, it can be scaled up pretty much as far as
you'd like.

And thanks to envirowhackos spreading lies about it 3/4 of the
population thinks a nuclear reactor is an A-bomb in a different form
and wants nothing to do with one.

Er, Mayor... a nuclear reactor *is* an A-bomb in "different form!"

Nuclear reactors cannot explode. They are not A-Bombs.

This is true given proper operation of the reactor.

All you need for an atomic explosion is a big enough piece of uranium
to achieve critical mass. The first A-bombs worked by having a piece
of uranium missing from the main mass that was forcibly assembled to
it by a conventional explosive charge.

Actually the Gadget was an implosion type bomb as was Fat Man. Little
Boy was the only one of the first batch that was a gun type.
Which doesn't matter anyway. Nuclear reactors don't work like either
type.
Its a bit like saying that a patio block is the same thing as the
Collesium because they both have concrete in them.

No, it's more like I'm saying all you need for an atomic blast is to collect
enough nuclear material into a large enough lump that it achieves critical
mass. Reactors keep this amount of material separate by containing it in
fuel rods, and using control rods, but nonetheless what's needed for an
atomic bomb is there. All that's missing is the right type of sabotage or
accident.


The main reasons the public has soured on nuclear power are the
problem of disposing of spent fuel,

Yucca Mountain.

the hazards associated with mining and
storing new fuel, and the serious consequences of an accident at a
nuclear plant.

The worse nuclear accident in US history caused about three chest
X-rays worth of radiation to be released.

An accident at a power plant wasn't the only issue I addressed, and the fact
we haven't had a serious accident yet doesn't mean we never will.

Most of the records from unranium mining are still sealed by the government.

"Since 1879, when uranium mine workers began being diagnosed with lung
diseases, such as cancer, regulators have gradually tightened controls and
mandated improved uranium mining practices. Recently, officials also have
become concerned with the broader impacts of uranium mining on public health
and the environment."

"Uranium mine waste from operations that closed before the mid-1970s are of
particular concern. In many cases, these mines remain unclaimed and the
waste is still piled near the mine. Weathering can lead to radioactive dust
that is blown by the wind and the seepage of contaminants into the surface
and groundwater. There are also cases of unclaimed uranium mine waste being
used for house construction, which creates significant radon and radiation
hazard for inhabitants."

http://www.epa.gov/radtown/uranium-mines.htm

http://www.defendblackhills.org/article.php?id=116

"Because uranium emits radon gas, and their harmful and highly radioactive
daughter products, uranium mining is considerably more dangerous than other
(already dangerous) hard rock mining, requiring adequate ventilation systems
if the mines are not open pit. During the 1950s, a significant number of
American uranium miners were Navajo Indians, as many uranium deposits were
discovered on Navajo reservations. A statistically significant subset of
these miners later developed small-cell lung cancer, a type of cancer
usually not associated with smoking, after exposure to uranium ore and
radon-222, a natural decay product of uranium.[3] The radon, which is
produced by the uranium, and not the uranium itself has been shown to be the
cancer causing agent. [4] Some survivors and their descendants received
compensation under the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act in 1990."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining#Risks_of_uranium_mining


# Can nuclear weapons be made from the radioactive waste from power plants?

"Yes. However, procedures have been put into place so that there is a closed
fuel cycle, (i.e. all waste is accounted for). In the United States of
America, the government owns all spent fuel rods and does not allow anyone
access to them."

http://www.uraniumsa.org/about/faq.htm


We don't build them as crappy as Chernobyl - never have and never
will- so invoking it is a non-starter.

I don't recall invoking Chernobyl.


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